The Senator, the camper vans & The Chaser

30 Jun

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Some of you may remember back in May this year there was a swell of outrage against Wicked Campers, the organisation that spray paints its vehicles with slogans such as: A wife: an attachment you screw on the bed to get the housework done; Inside every princess there’s a slut waiting to get out; The best thing about a blow job is five minutes of silence, and so on.

The slogans are usually accompanied by cartoonish illustrations of disembodied breasts, Snow White sucking a penis… you get the picture.

Free speech advocate and libertarian Senator David Leyonhjelm was scathing in his criticism of those who protested the vans:

“If you want to take offense that’s your choice and you’ve got to remember it’s a choice and other people make different choices. 

Most of the statements I’ve read from the vans are able to be interpreted in a couple of ways and they require a degree of sophistication to know what they’re getting at.”

Leyonhjelm told the ABC Wicked made funny statements, “which obviously have sexual connotations.”

“But surprise, surprise sexual connotations are part of life. You need to be a particularly wowserish type of person to not find them funny,” he said.

But surprise, surprise ABC TV’s The Chaser recently parked a van outside Leyonhjelm’s residence that bore the slogan The best thing about oral sex from David Leyonhjelm – 5 mins of silence, and the Senator has gone ballistic.

When called on his perceived hypocrisy by Melinda Tankard Reist, an anti-Wicked advocate, Leyonhjelm tweeted to her: If you don’t understand free speech STFU. This a problematic prescriptive if ever there was one: the right to free speech isn’t supposed to be contingent on whether or not you fully understand what you are saying about free speech, or anything else, for that matter.

It is true that the Senator didn’t call for the Chaser to be silenced, he merely complained vociferously about their intrusion into his street. He also claimed the slogan was “homophobic,” a complaint I find quite baffling unless of course he doesn’t know about men orally pleasuring women.

My Twitter friend Kate Galloway recently wrote this post on sexist language in public discourse in response to Eddie McGuire’s expressed desire to drown journalist Caroline Wilson. What is it with some men and their desire to drown us? Alan Jones wanting to send Julia Gillard in a chaff bag out to sea, and of course that legendary test to see if we’re witches, perhaps from which this obsession with drowning us stems: tie us to a stool and drop us in the river and if we drown we’re witches and if we survive we’re witches, so burn us. Yeah.

I think I’m a woman with a sophisticated sense of humour. I can also laugh myself silly with a four-year-old. But I find absolutely nothing humorous in the Wicked van slogans, or in Eddie McGuire and his mates cackling hideously over the possibility of drowning Caroline Wilson. Nor  do I accept the apparently unassailable belief amongst some men and women that it is fine to say things about women that if said about any other human group would be thought crass, unacceptable, and even illegal.

There’s no right not to be offended, but there is the right to speak about what offends. A frequent response to expressed offence is an accusation of political correctness (gone mad, for added emphasis), or a judgement that one has “over-reacted.” These are  attempts to derail any discussion of the offensive nature of the commentary, and focus instead on the offended person’s alleged weakness and lack of humour. Such attempts at derailing should be treated with the contempt they deserve. As a general rule, people who make sexist comments don’t take kindly to being challenged and their first line of defence is attack.

Leyonhjelm is outraged that The Chaser’s stunt upset his wife, yet he was seemingly oblivious to the upset caused to women, girls, and men who had to attempt to explain to their children the slogans on the van next to their tent. One grandfather round these parts took to every van he saw with a can of black spray paint, so fed up was he with having to see the denigrating and misogynist garbage every time he went on the highway with his grandchildren. But according to the Senator, this man is an unsophisticated wowser with no sense of humour who has chosen to be offended.

Well, Senator, if the tiara fits…

 

 

 

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92 Responses to “The Senator, the camper vans & The Chaser”

  1. Arthur baker June 30, 2016 at 4:38 pm #

    Great article. Agree 100 percent. Leyonhjelm is a guy who likes to churn out so-called libertarian policies for other people to cop, but now it turns out that when faced with the effects of one of his own policies, he’s not all that keen any more.

    Hugh Mackay, involved in qualitative social research for several decades and one of Australia’s most perceptive commentators, wrote in his book “What Makes Us Tick”: “Nothing clarifies a policy like being on the receiving end of it”. Gotcha, David, and good on you, Chaser Boys.

    We need to remember that Leyonhjelm advocates for people to be allowed to carry concealed weapons around in Australia. Sure. So I’m in the Lindt Café in Martin Place, and I’m supposed to be glad that three or four other patrons can pull out guns and turn the whole place into the Gunfight At OK Corral. Thanks, David, you miserable numpty.

    One hopes the idiot Liberal voters who thought Leyonhjelm was their candidate (because his “party” name included the word “Liberal” and he had the dashed good luck to draw column 1 on the Senate ballot paper) and therefore accidentally awarded him a Senator’s salary for three years, will have learned from their mistake and ignore him this time around.

    But I’m not holding my breath. After all, Liberal voters in my electorate (Warringah) look likely to re-elect failed Prime Minister Tony (Knighthood for Prince Philip) Abbott.

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    • Jennifer Wilson June 30, 2016 at 4:49 pm #

      Thanks Arthur, yes it is all a bit rich coming from the Senator.
      I send sympathies for you and your electorate :(((

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      • Sam Jandwich July 1, 2016 at 3:28 pm #

        Yes me too Arthur! Though I’d still vote for a statue of Tony Abbott to be installed at the Manly corso, sitting on a park bench in the throes of feeding seagulls:)))

        Meanwhile in Pittwater, I received a letter from one Hon. Malcolm Turnbull MP telling me that if I wanted to be a loyal Liberal voter then I should pledge my second, third and fourth preferences to the Christian Democrats, the Shooters and Fishers, and Family First! What’s the derivation of the word “bedfellows” anyway? might it actually be literal?

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        • Jennifer Wilson July 1, 2016 at 4:29 pm #

          WTAF???

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        • doug quixote July 1, 2016 at 5:28 pm #

          Sounds about right to me. A loyal Looters Party voter is not too far removed from the Holy Rollers, the Loony Shooters and the Tiny Preference Party.

          “Strange bedfellows” is of course literal in derivation. 🙂

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        • Sam Jandwich July 1, 2016 at 6:23 pm #

          MacKellar that is – now BB’ s gone I suppose the average Northern Beaches voter might not clock who their default choice is supposed to be, hence the letter.

          Still, I’m looking forward to tomorrow, mostly for the cake stall at the Loquat Valley primary school which graciously hosts our polling booth. Home-made toffee with 100’s and 1000’s!!

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    • Dark Matter Zine June 30, 2016 at 5:08 pm #

      I adore Hugh Mackay and squeed over someone else quoting him! Well done!

      Don’t knock Tony Speedos Abbott: he’s doing his best to maximise non-LNP pollies in parliament, so he’s on our side the way KRudd was on the LNP’s side. Tones may be personally responsible for a few extra minorities and independents in the senate after the double dissolution, making Turning Bulls regret his attempt to reign supreme over (and not be held accountable to) the unwashed masses.

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      • Jennifer Wilson June 30, 2016 at 5:10 pm #

        I, for one, was most upset when Turnbull unseated Abbott: as Turnbull has since admitted, staying with Abbott would definitely have lost them the election.

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    • Hypo June 30, 2016 at 5:21 pm #

      Chaser GIRLS!

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  2. Dark Matter Zine June 30, 2016 at 5:02 pm #

    I laughed myself silly over the Chaser’s stunt as did the man in my life who’s also offended by Wicked Campers.

    Steve Biddulph, my guru when raising my children, had a bit to say on Eddie Macguire that also applies to David Wowser Hippocrite Leyonhjelm.

    You forgot to mention that he threatened to call the police on the Chasers. And that he and his wife apparently felt threatened by unarmed comedians although Davey is pro-guns.

    http://www.theage.com.au/comment/caroline-wilson-eddie-mcguire-sam-newman-a-big-week-for-defective-masculinity-20160623-gpq9jk.html

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    • Jennifer Wilson June 30, 2016 at 5:09 pm #

      Ah, yes thanks for that link, Dark Matter.

      Imagine someone so anti the state calling on the police to protect him against comics. Now I’ve started cackling all over again.

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  3. davechaffeyhippie June 30, 2016 at 5:52 pm #

    Great to see you’re back blogging hard with a vengeance! The Wicked vans make me think because I too make misogynistic jokes. I don’t know exactly what the litmus test is between power imbalance jokes for pure promotion and ironic power imbalance jokes to point out the absurdity of the power imbalance, but I try for the latter and that’s my defense, your honour. The Wicked van slogans are only attention seeking.

    I gave Eddie a piece of my mind on my blog, as did so many others who see right through his snake-charm, but I’m not sure he’s going to change his ways. Why should he when he was just re-elected President of Collingwood? Collingwood will incidentally also be the proud patriarchs of a women’s netball team from next season.

    I’m now trying to write about the candidates for my local electorate of Lilley (where Wayne Swan has been moping around since the series of unfortunate events). One of the candidates is from LDP, whose leader is the Wicked David Leyonhjelm. There seems to be an angry elitist streak in the LDP which I find fascinating; essentially we only need big government because of all the stupid people who belong to a different species and if they can’t take care of themselves without the politically correct high-tax nanny state, then let them f*ck off and die. And their ^$##&#&ed kids too. I’m sure they’re not that bad. My local candidate doesn’t seem to be, but I think the party group think is somewhere on the spectrum.

    Thanks to you and the Chaser girls and boys, I’ve now filled my holes of LDP knowledge and will celebrate by spray-painting an olive-branch message on my car for David Leyonhjelm.

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    • Forrest Gumpp (@ForrestGumpp) July 1, 2016 at 12:28 am #

      Apropos your opening paragraphs:

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      • Jennifer Wilson July 1, 2016 at 7:35 am #

        Oh for god’s sake McGuire is a lost cause.

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      • Jennifer Wilson July 1, 2016 at 7:36 am #

        I just removed your other link because it feels so wrong

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        • Forrest Gumpp (@ForrestGumpp) July 1, 2016 at 12:57 pm #

          Thought you might. Embedding, like re-tweeting, does not necessarily imply an endorsement. But it was an instance, in its own way, although a bit orff, of ‘volvitur in rota’.

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          • Forrest Gumpp (@ForrestGumpp) July 1, 2016 at 3:41 pm #

            And in its own perverse way, constituted a window of opportunity for to close, which you promptly did. Speaking of windows of opportunity:

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            • Jennifer Wilson July 1, 2016 at 4:34 pm #

              Where is that?

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              • Forrest Gumpp (@ForrestGumpp) July 1, 2016 at 5:18 pm #

                At the Armoured Corps Centre, Puckapunyal, Victoria. The photo is on the heavy concrete roadway to/from the range training area. The exercise was named, somewhat grimly perhaps, ‘Exercise Reaper’. The real Reeperbahn is, I understand, in Hamburg, Germany. It is famous for the (predominantly female) sex workers who sit in the, er, … shop … windows facing der Strasse.

                So I am told.

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                • Forrest Gumpp (@ForrestGumpp) July 2, 2016 at 6:52 am #

                  And for which there would appear to have been a precedent:

                  Just saying.

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                  • paul walter July 2, 2016 at 8:29 am #

                    It is an odd thread, even by Twitter standards.

                    Prostitutes on display? By whom? The authorities, out to shame them or their own pimps, displaying the “merchandise?

                    Then a number of folk persist with the notion that they are Geisha, not sex workers, despite the heading to the pic saying they are prostitutes.

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    • Jennifer Wilson July 1, 2016 at 7:26 am #

      Hahahaha 😀

      Dave, I find Leyonhjelm arrogant, abusive & dismissive and it’s delicious to see him become the victim of hubris.

      It’s especially hilarious to read that he threatened to shriek for the police, he who is so vigorously opposed to any intervention by any agents of the state.
      They are only a bunch of unarmed comedians but comedy is more powerful than the sword perhaps??? 😜

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      • samjandwich July 1, 2016 at 3:31 pm #

        Did you ever have any run-ins with DL way back when we all used to read Online Opinion? I liked him better when he was a fringe-dwelling lone-ranging lunatic. Perhaps his parliamentary superannuation will allow him to resume that role.

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        • Jennifer Wilson July 1, 2016 at 4:31 pm #

          I don’t recall encountering him in those days. I doubt I would have engaged with him – his arrogance makes engagement a waste of time.

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      • Forrest Gumpp (@ForrestGumpp) July 2, 2016 at 12:35 pm #

        But one has to wonder what happens if one puts the helm hard over.

        Saying it with Twitter. Rivet, rivet.

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  4. Hypo June 30, 2016 at 7:15 pm #

    If people here have seen the episode on Extras where Ross Kemp
    was pretending to be the hard guy (with storys to Ricky Gervais’ character) when challenged by Vinnie Jones character(who Kemps claimed to have taken down etc) you will remember the comprehensive spineless capitulation when the faux tough guy was exposed as the spineless gimp he is, by a fuming VJ’s character..
    Well in real life, Legion Helmet took such exposed cowardice to the mountain.
    Thinking back on the Chaser, I may have even seen a little warm wee rolling down the good senators inner thigh as it trickled from his child sized lycra shorts.

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  5. doug quixote June 30, 2016 at 7:23 pm #

    Three cheers for the Chaser!

    If you are going to deal it out you have to be able to take it, Libertarians.

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  6. paul walter June 30, 2016 at 7:43 pm #

    Wicked go against the very principle of graffiti, which is to do with spontaneity and the inspired guess. We have them up the road and most of the faux graffiti just doesn’t work for me, although I think you’ve cited the worst examples of the excess, most of it is just bland, hesitant and clumsy.

    Will not comment further but instead observe Dark Matter and her observation re Steve Biddulph, a man who has been unpopular with some feminists, yet to me has only ever said that we must understand and honour feminism, grasping why it has emerged and why it thus llegitimate, not grumbling about it and instead blokes using the example to clear some of the cobwebs from their own minds.

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    • Jennifer Wilson July 1, 2016 at 7:28 am #

      Yes, that’s a good point about t
      the aesthetics of graffiti, PW.

      I don’t know anything much about Biddulph and feminists.

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      • Dark Matter Zine July 1, 2016 at 8:35 am #

        Back in the day Steve Biddulph wrote some stuff that the queer community *might* object to (suggesting that gay guys missed out on good male role models as children so now seek that as adults) but most of his stuff was sound parenting.

        He’s against violence, for sane, sound parenting. I don’t think I read his Raising Girls because I bought a book that — from its cover — claimed to be associated with SB but wasn’t. It was ok in content then SB had the book recalled because they made huge sales BECAUSE of the cover & association. Later he brought out his own Raising Girls, by which time my own daughter was nearly an adult. But I read Secrets of Happy Children and the sequel when she was a baby and again years later. All sane, sound parenting.

        He stands for the right stuff, all for respecting children, respecting one another and against violence. He’s particularly against violence towards children — including corporate punishment — with a view to heading off domestic violence before it begins.

        I’m not sure if his latest edition of Raising Boys would make the same comments regarding homosexuality. I don’t recall thinking his comments were homophobic, merely posing a hypothetical but with a view to fulfilling that need therefore “curing” boys before they go down that path. It’s been years since I read it. Looking back without re-reading, I think he was otherwise sound but I’d like to see those comments retracted.

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        • Hypo July 1, 2016 at 9:29 am #

          Is BIddulph against the brainwashing of children by and for religious ends?
          Does he support school chaplain scam?
          I seem to recall MTR singing his praises.

          We are surely *all* for non violence towards children, but harm comes in many forms.eg >Cory Bernardi and Abbott were once children.Some might argue their petulance shows they still are.

          We need religion out of public (all?) schools,out of vulnerable children’s lives, and away from govt.

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          • Jennifer Wilson July 1, 2016 at 9:54 am #

            Amen to that Hypo.

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          • Dark Matter Zine July 1, 2016 at 1:51 pm #

            I have read several of Steve Biddulph’s books and remember him as a secular not religious child psychologist. I do not recall him mentioning religion at all.

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            • Hypo July 1, 2016 at 3:26 pm #

              Member of the uniting church
              and I think MTR et al champion him and his books.

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        • Jennifer Wilson July 1, 2016 at 9:53 am #

          Thanks, Dark Matter.
          It makes little sense to me that parents hit a child then punish the child for hitting siblings or friends. Totally confusing message: wait till you’re big like me then you can hit people? Bizarre.
          At the same time, children can be hideous and adults feeling powerless to exert any other kind of authority might well resort to the smack. Thank god mine are adults and all that is over. 😀

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          • Dark Matter Zine July 1, 2016 at 1:52 pm #

            True. I knew I was doing the right thing when my daughter said, “I’d rather get a smack” than the punishment I was dishing out. Hard to recall but I think I grounded her from things she loved in response to abusing her younger brother or not doing her homework or something.

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      • paul walter July 2, 2016 at 2:54 am #

        Aesthetics is all, although can abhor the aesthetics of something and still consider it a diamond, for a glimpse of its real worth when almost entirely obscured by Megatherium shit ( eg, if you are a farmer looking for fertiliser, you will toss the diamond).

        You second sentence has me in mind of Socrates, who when told he was considered the wisest man in Athens, replied with the shrewd comment that, ” All I know is that I know nothing”.

        They got Socrates in the end, but not until he was seventy, which was a ripe old age back then.

        * https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nS_5tqxRJzo

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        • Hypo July 2, 2016 at 10:02 am #

          Know this, I may or may not know a lot, but I know there is no way known, anyone knows more about knowing, or not knowing what they do,or don’t know,than Rumsfeld.

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          • Arthur Baker July 2, 2016 at 10:23 am #

            Hypo, you might like this article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/There_are_known_knowns

            which, inter alia, posits a fourth category of knowledge, the unknown known, not mentioned by Rumsfeld, perhaps because he was unaware of it or (more likely) in denial of it.

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            • Hypo July 2, 2016 at 10:45 am #

              I never knew that,but now I know.
              Thanks.

              Hopefully by days end, many unknown gnomes will remain unknown.
              And also at the end of it, a few known gnomes.(Like Abbott / Joyce /Lesion-Horn) and many more,become unknown.

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  7. paul walter July 1, 2016 at 4:39 pm #

    Dark Matter, a good try. Steve Biddulph has been around for a while and turned up at a time when the sort of discussion we are having here involved something much less explored than nowadays. He had a fair try at de-centering, which can be challenging and it is basic with him that you don’t attack feminism or disregard the legitimacy of women’s criticisms of the System…his insight is that men would do well to assert themselves, as many women have done, to break down or deal with internal social conditioning and that women should be seen as allies, not obstructions.

    The risk here is of course that the discovery by men that they are also “manufactured” to some extent may lead to a retreat to self justification and as we have seen from some comments here, some also deciding that Biddulph is only about male apologetics which is a bit contempt prior to investigation-ish.

    In other words, a man who has discovered that men must make adjustments to change is seized on by the Right as an individual calling for even worse reaction and from radfems as a voice advocating the very things he opposes.

    As for the rest, riveting conversation involving JW and and FG, what more could a reader ask for?

    As for smacking, a non verbal form of communication involving an altruistic desire on the part of a parent to communicate to a child that it is not the centre of its own universe to the exclusion of all others, for its own sake too, as to later life and fitting in with other people.

    Is there anything more abject than watching a feeble parent in a supermarket unable or willing to take on a brat throwing a tantrum?

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    • Dark Matter Zine July 1, 2016 at 6:34 pm #

      With my daughter in particular, the best way to deal with tantrums was to NOT give her attention. Those “feeble” parents may, in fact, be dealing with the tantrum in the best way possible in a public forum before going home and removing privileges.

      Strangers getting involved makes things much worse, like the times strangers told me to give my daughter what she wanted so she’d stop throwing a tantrum. Standing up to that kind of interference demonstrated that I was not feeble. Capitulating even once to my daughter’s misbehaviour made the next 10 times unbearable because she escalated her behaviour. She was an absolute terror.

      I used to tell my son I’d buy him yoghurt as a treat if he was good in the supermarket. On a few bad days I had to get through the checkouts and carry him and the groceries out with him screaming because I followed through. I wasn’t being feeble, I was meting out discipline. And dayum, it worked. It only happened a few times then he reined in his behaviour. To the casual observer I may have appeared feeble but my tactics worked.

      You shouldn’t judge others’ discipline just because you are pro-violence.

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      • paul walter July 1, 2016 at 8:02 pm #

        Pro violence?

        If that is directed at me I can only laugh that I avoid crying.

        A sad, silly way to end some otherwise worthwhile conversation with a sad, silly slur, I’m afraid.

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    • Forrest Gumpp (@ForrestGumpp) July 3, 2016 at 9:36 am #

      Just looking for an appropriate place to embed this Twitter gem. Here will do, I think, in between the rivets:

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      • paul walter July 3, 2016 at 9:44 am #

        That really sums up how the Coalition people descended from smirking and cruel humor to dummy spits later. They could not take even a challenge- how would they have been if they had been kicked out?

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        • Hypo July 3, 2016 at 10:51 am #

          How?
          All the nutjobs from Abbott,Brandis,Credlin,Bernardi etc ,down,would blame TBull.

          Oh wait.

          I think this is possibly the greatest proof we have of Karma in the modern world.Let’s see just how mature, temperate and ethical the Libs are.

          No doubt the AG will do all he can to accidentally stumble on dirt of the new senators, via the internet laws and legalised theft of private data.

          Using the precautionary principle, we should prepare for some inexplicable decisions in the senate, as members vote opposite to their views, for ‘their own reasons.It could be hell in the senate or not, for the LNP, depending on the pearls thrown before them.
          And I have to say, I find it quite ‘curious’ that one of Xenophons shining lights was an ex Lib staffer.Shrewd move or dangerous one,I’m not sure.

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        • Jennifer Wilson July 3, 2016 at 7:46 pm #

          They might still be kicked out. At the very least they will have a very small majority or hung parliament

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      • Jennifer Wilson July 3, 2016 at 7:45 pm #

        Ha ha, from the man who said everyone’s entitled to be a bigot

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  8. Hypo July 1, 2016 at 5:33 pm #

    Aaaagh,
    So Biddulph is not driven or guided by his underlying religious views or the patriarchy of the/a church.
    Good to know.

    I still wonder why people distance themselves from their own ‘religiosity’, rather than call out the bad shite within?

    Is it self ‘Judas-ism?”

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    • Dark Matter Zine July 1, 2016 at 6:36 pm #

      I’ve done both: I’ve gone to church leaders and confronted them about church and leader abuse. Now, like many others, I distance myself from them because, as far as I’m concerned, they’re not living out Jesus’s teachings, they’re more like the religious system in Small Gods by Terry Pratchett: worshiping the system, vying for power, being destructive instead of living a truly spiritual life in accordance with their own teachings.

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      • Hypo July 1, 2016 at 8:22 pm #

        jesus christ was the first and last christian.everything calling itself christainity since then has been based on plagiarism or parasitism .
        Amen

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  9. Hypo July 1, 2016 at 6:35 pm #

    Anywho,
    I find the senators name too difficult.

    I vote we call him “Lesion Horn.”

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    • doug quixote July 1, 2016 at 7:00 pm #

      We can call him a feather duster after tomorrow.

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      • Jennifer Wilson July 3, 2016 at 7:35 pm #

        And you were right DQ. Feather duster exit stage left.

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        • Hypo July 3, 2016 at 8:56 pm #

          Don’t deviant British pollies shove feather dusters up their clackers, and oranges int he mouths during fishnet stocking wearing bondage episodes/party meetings?
          Maybe Senator Rabid Lesion Horn has a future job in conservative politics yet?

          He wouldn’t even need to wear a gimp mask, for obvious reasons.

          He would need to be careful though.Them Tories get a bit carried away >

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Milligan

          I wish the good senator well.He did SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO much for peace and goodwill in Austramerica.

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    • Jennifer Wilson July 3, 2016 at 7:34 pm #

      He’s gone.

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  10. doug quixote July 2, 2016 at 10:42 pm #

    This election is agonisingly close. The count shows several seats too close to call, with only “our ABC” bravely calling every close seat for the government. All through the election coverage on Seven and Nine the count has been around 60 seats each with the rest undecided. Aunty would have us believe the Looters have 74 to 66!

    Is it Anthony Green trying to prove he is (always) right?

    Whenever I get thoroughly sick of Morrison I go channel surfing – Tour De France, Wimbledon and Seven & Nine’s coverage.

    It is still too close to call. Labor may still form a minority government with the independents.

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    • Hypo July 2, 2016 at 11:37 pm #

      Don’t be insane.
      Let the LNP form this govt and go down with the dysfunctionality.
      Why would you want to inflict a Hansonite senate on Labor?
      (Senate nightmare? Been there/ done that)

      Let this boil come to a head once and for all.But let it do so with the dregs of Abbott in the blame seat.

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      • doug quixote July 3, 2016 at 12:57 am #

        Welcome to the new reality of Australian politics. Majority governments may be a thing of the past.

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      • Jennifer Wilson July 3, 2016 at 7:40 pm #

        Hypo we’ve got Hanson. She’s calling for a RC into Islam. Terms of reference to be announced.

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    • doug quixote July 3, 2016 at 12:32 am #

      Mal’s been on the piss. Waving his hands around like a proper goon.

      Hyper without any cause.

      Three years? Or six months and then Abbott redux?

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      • paul walter July 3, 2016 at 4:52 am #

        The worst news is Hanson has the possibility of a second senate seat..this is a severe blow.

        The other exceptional thing is something not directly related to the election and that is the extent to which the Murdoch hack now running the ABC has reduced it to a lying tabloid laughing stock.

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      • Hypo July 3, 2016 at 10:54 am #

        That’s why he thinks he can form govt.

        Double ‘piss-illusion’.

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      • Jennifer Wilson July 3, 2016 at 7:41 pm #

        Mal’s a goner. Whether they get over the line or not, he’s a goner.

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    • paul walter July 3, 2016 at 4:57 am #

      I enjoyed Green smacking down the panel by refusing to call early.

      I really wanted to smack Annabel and shove several articles of clothing down Morrison’s evil throat.

      How cowardly, to have Sen Wong the only non-tory representative, fighting valiantly against a pack of liars to get the truth out quietly and methodically despite all the hazing.

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    • Jennifer Wilson July 3, 2016 at 7:39 pm #

      And it’s still too close DQ. I hear that brussel sprout Dutton is hanging by a thread

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      • Hypo July 3, 2016 at 8:59 pm #

        Dutton hanging by a thread.What a thought.
        Aaaaaaaaagh.

        That takes care of this weeks moment of sublime joy.

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  11. Hypo July 3, 2016 at 9:13 am #

    What I (re) learned

    Labor would actually have won if they had a less union hack, but too late now.”They” will never learn.
    So now the opposition has to play the long and calm game, and let the govt self destruct.Labor must look like the big kids in the room which is going to be hard.

    The only long term hope for long term ALP led govts is if the CFMEU and other militant unions are jettisoned.Can’t see that in this millennium.

    Of the top 12 issues voters were concerned with the environment was not mentioned.During the campaigns closing moments you would be right to think the GBR is the only environmental issue in Australia.Getups influence has run its course.Petitions are yesterday.Without voices challenging the ‘growth at all costs’ dead end,and calling for a stable population , the end game trumps all this temporary disraction anyway.
    If Abbott and Hanson behave as expected, Aust can expect more Man Monis to crawl out of the swamp.Ant nest poking is the preferred sport of the lunatic fringe.
    As for the senate generally Xenophon will become the new Meg Lees and let all sorts of perverse LNP shite through, and I think Rupert (or his man) might be wining and dining with a big fat cheque book with the representative swill.

    I believe if Labor are stupid enough to EVER want a sliver of a majority and a hostile senate makes me believe, the maturity to see this through may not be there anyway.
    Wong was her usual banal / weak ineffective marshmallow baseball bat hard woman.She talks the talk of nothingness and has been walking it all her political life.If there wasn’t a bucket of pus sitting next to her all night, she would have been invisible.
    Cassidy got it wrong a few times,the state LNP govt backlash theory for one, did not stand up for long.
    The people have spoken.They still have no idea what they are trying to say.

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    • paul walter July 3, 2016 at 9:22 am #

      Well, that was a sour download from someone who usually tries to be constructive.

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      • Hypo July 3, 2016 at 9:42 am #

        Feel free to dissect it ‘captain smiley pants’.
        : )

        Remember,
        This was Labors (Factional RWNJ’s) strategy, the grass roots had bugger all to do with the result, (other than them busting their arses for the last 3 years while the thugs get their way without lifting a finger.)
        As an aside,If there is any truth to the medicare logo being illegally used I hope it takes down a few dozen of the faceless men.Win,win.

        The ALP chant should be >
        “What we want?”
        “You tell us, faceless men”
        “When do we want it”
        “Whenever you say so.”

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      • Jennifer Wilson July 3, 2016 at 7:43 pm #

        Hypo is usually constructive?

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        • Hypo July 3, 2016 at 9:00 pm #

          I’m at least as constructive as PW is sarcastic.

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    • Jennifer Wilson July 3, 2016 at 7:43 pm #

      Yes we do. We’re sick of self-interested political shenanigans. Not that it does us any good. We’re stuck with them

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  12. doug quixote July 3, 2016 at 12:52 pm #

    The Australian Electoral Commission website is showing Labor well ahead in seats won or likely right now:

    http://vtr.aec.gov.au/HouseDefault-20499.htm

    Labor 69 to Looters & Nutters 64. Twelve or so in doubt – allow the same proportion and Labor will have 75 or 76.

    Shorten for PM!

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    • Hypo July 3, 2016 at 1:18 pm #

      Geezuz, spare me.
      Not sure if you are desperate, deluded or working for the LNP.But only a goose would want to inherit a senate with a Lambie and possibly two Hanson’s (no Lazarus) in it, while Murdoch still controls the media and the LNP agenda.

      & The real Nick Xenophon is yet to be exposed.Do you think the power won’t go to HIS head?? Plus his new underlings could very easily jettison him and do a Lambie, go Indy,, and vote with the LNP-each and every time for a few bits of gold.I am no way sold on NXT as a party by any stretch.

      Like I keep saying, DQ, when push comes to shove you are a footy team voter.
      The quintessential labor faction apologist who puts the political needs of Labor, furlongs in front of what is for the greater good.
      But that’s OK.

      What Labor needs to do to walk the talk, it has clearly shown,it won’t.
      It can, but it won’t.
      What a waste of what little talent is left.
      The greens will lap this all up.I’d be surprised if a few ALP aspirants did not jump on the ‘loony(as you call them bandwagon.

      Right now Canberra needs to come up with a way for QLD to change its name to New Texas, to secede, and then give them to Indonesia.They have no right to call themselves ‘Australian’ any more.
      We could swap out the entire population of New Texas for asylum seekers, who seem to value the right to vote.
      : )

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      • doug quixote July 3, 2016 at 1:28 pm #

        I call it as I see it.

        If the Looters were in the same position I’d call it for them.

        With deepest regret. 🙂

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        • Hypo July 3, 2016 at 1:46 pm #

          Sorry DQ, but championing and making endless excuses for the vile heart of factional Labor,(which is the only version left of Labor) goes way beyond ‘calling it as you see it’ , through that single eyeball of yours.

          Newsflash> The ‘anyone but LNP’ train, is NOT the same beast as the ‘Labor at all costs ,reverse gear only, uni-cycle.’

          I am more than happy to see Shorten have a go, if you say so.But I know exactly how it will end.
          Worse than a cage fight,for him and us.

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          • doug quixote July 3, 2016 at 2:23 pm #

            It would be worth it just to see Brandis, Pyne, Dutton and Morrison turfed out of their ministries.

            Whether or not Labor can or will do better, we may get to see.

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            • Hypo July 3, 2016 at 3:22 pm #

              The ‘turfing’ would be temporary, and their comeback would be far worse.
              Murdoch and Abbott have wrecked before.Let’s let them have a taste of their own toxin.Give them govt with this senate, and with nowhere to hide.
              Let them fail.Let ridicule be their last feast.

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            • Jennifer Wilson July 3, 2016 at 7:47 pm #

              Well they’d be hard pressed to do worse.

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          • Jennifer Wilson July 3, 2016 at 7:47 pm #

            Hypo, we are stuck with a major party. Lesser of two evils?

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            • Hypo July 3, 2016 at 8:32 pm #

              You too?
              I can see the enthusiasm here for wanting the ALP to implode with this senate in this toxic morph.It stuns me.
              I’ll let the reality sink in before I conclude the cheer squad has lost the plot.

              Whichever govt is formed has to deal with and be tainted by the senate we have.Locally and internationally.
              Both of the far right factions (LNP and LNP lite=ALP) are currently intimately ‘massaging the ghould called Hanson. ‘Imagine the peril to come to our community from her resurrection in the senate in regards to security.
              Imagine the race hate that will now be unleashed.

              Me? I say let the Liberal Party wear this mess, they enabled her.Twice now. The pain of the LNP and this senate won’t last long.Or Labor can take the reins, and inevitably foist another Abbott era on us by going in head first.They have Ripert on the case FFS.

              It beggars belief any thinking person would want to marry their future to this senate..

              Shorten has said diddly about the Hanson pox, so he is as desperate as the fux across the chamber to be a career politician.That is not leadership.Remembering speeches is not leadership.
              Who wouldn’t love an old school Labor govt, but wake up ppl.They have gone.Disappeared.
              Almost off the map to the far right, just behind their mentors.

              I think now that the dust has settled Brandis et al will be praying the ALP forms govt, and if the sentiment here is any indication, he may get his sinister wish.Be careful what you wish for.

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              • Hypo July 3, 2016 at 8:35 pm #

                EDIT Faaaaaaaaaaark Hope Granpaw RUPERT doesn’t sue me for spelling his species name wrong.

                “They have [Ripert] < RUPERT on the case FFS.

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              • paul walter July 4, 2016 at 3:14 am #

                Look, doesn’t it seem that many of us already know quite clearly the intentions of the Coalition, something the poll swing shows up.

                Might it not be true that it is now so late in the game that we have had to block them by any means possible, even if Labor is little better, to buy time, hope against hope?

                Oz looks pretty on the outside, but underneath it could be dying as a democracy with no longer an alternative apart from Labor, which has been quarantined in the Use Only In Emergency Cabinet.

                It might not be that late in the day, but then again it might be, on this long haul back from Stalingrad.

                If I were bitten by a dog with foaming mouth I would foolish not to take the anti rabies shot despite the sore arm and side effects, even if there was no guarantee of recovery or maybe the dog didn’t have rabies.

                TINA.

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                • Hypo July 4, 2016 at 10:04 am #

                  Sigh……….PW Here’s how your plan will go.
                  Labor forms govt.
                  Conservatives get into the heads of dumb senators,They vote to suit a Tea Party agenda, not even aware they are.
                  (Dirt files will help)
                  Rupert runs the usual ‘Labor are dysfunctional” agenda.Govt implodes.
                  Tea Party get the reins,Abbott comes back, they get in via a Murdoch campaign like no other.Rules as a majority right wing gov and senate with more Hansons etc.
                  Labor(the poxed version we have now) refuses to reform and stay in the wilderness for at least two terms.
                  By then we will be so socially,ecologically and economically bereft we will be unfix-able.But go ahead, step into a bear trap.The pain is transient.Innit?

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        • Hypo July 3, 2016 at 1:58 pm #

          …and to be frank, when all is said and done , given some think music, the LNP would probably love the ALP to step into a trap like a minority govt.That would soon give the far right of the LNP a way to claim govt at a freshly called election via supply drying up, or bills getting dam-walled.
          Abbott and Brandis and Bolt have never seen so much Chianti and fava beans on a table at anyone time.

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  13. paul walter July 4, 2016 at 3:39 am #

    Here is Ross Gittin’s take.

    http://www.smh.com.au/business/comment-and-analysis/voters-reject-economics-as-usual-20160703-gpxchd.html

    I think he is categorically wrong on Labor’s warnings concerning Medicare and his own article following reinforces the contradiction I’ve picked up, but I leave others to judge for themselves.

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