On Turnbull and stability

27 Jun

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Turnbull relying on Australians seeking stability during a time on [sic] unrest in Europe is the headline of Malcolm Farr’s précis of the LNP election campaign launch, held yesterday.

The problem with the word stability is that far too often, particularly in politics, it’s taken to mean “everything staying the same” regardless of whether that “same” is desirable or not.

According to Turnbull we need to avoid changing government at all costs, and we need to avoid a hung parliament at all costs. We need to stick with the stability (read sameness) of the two-party system, despite the profound lack of stability within both those parties, publicly demonstrated over the last six years.

Admittedly, the ALP seems to have pulled itself together and united behind its leader, achieving temporary internal stability. The same cannot be said for the LNP as Turnbull attempts to straddles the chasm between himself and the right-wing of his party. Revenant-in-waiting, Tony Abbott, continues to grimly stalk the Prime Minister and although he has been muted during the election campaign, it’s unlikely he’s relinquished all ambition to heal his pain by overthrowing Malcolm and reasserting himself as leader.

If it’s stability you’re looking for and you choose the LNP, you’re looking for love in all the wrong places.

It takes strength of character to weather uncertainty and instability, which together are the very substance of change, and, as Dylan said he [sic] who isn’t busy being born is busy dying. A politics with which we have become very familiar is in its death throes: look at Brexit and look at Trump in the US. This isn’t a time of stability it’s a time of change, and if we don’t get busy birthing the change we’ll get busy burying the dead.

Turnbull’s call for stability is a cynical and opportunistic attempt to co-opt the Brexit decision to his very unstable cause: governance by a party that is cataclysmically divided, and therefore incapable of providing the country with that which the government itself so conspicuously lacks.

The LNP will undoubtedly ramp up the emotional manipulation with its faux assurance of stability in an unstable world: Brexit is the best thing that could have happened for them at this time. Brexit could well be Turnbull’s Tampa: create fear, then offer yourself as the only protection from the terror you’ve manufactured.

It’s not about the policies, stupid. It’s about the emotion.

 

 

 

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120 Responses to “On Turnbull and stability”

  1. Hypo June 27, 2016 at 8:46 am #

    Turnbull will win,there is no doubt.The senate may provide some respite, although I long ago gave up on voter intelligence.The fact that Brandis and all the other gimps have remained invisible so far means after the election Abbott et al and their deranged hate policy set will drown Turnbull.It will be a measure of his minuscule credibility as he either gets shunted or resigns to avoid looking like a bigger twat than already.

    Poor fella my country.Yet again the ALP factions deprived us of reform,choice and a future.Stuck with a man whose greatest strength was running second.He already has form for selling workers out, FFS.That is how dead Labor really are.

    LNP light for all to see.

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    • Jennifer Wilson June 27, 2016 at 10:09 am #

      I think you’re right in some ways, Hypo. My sense is that the LNP right wing are lying low during the election campaign, for obvious reasons, and if they retain government, they’ll be out in force and Turnbull will be gone.

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      • Hypo June 27, 2016 at 10:18 am #

        Abbott is a certainty when TBull wins.And the second time around will show us what evil really looks like.The last sentence was a trail period.He will feel doubly validated.Abbott/Putin/Trump.

        Brandis is busy drafting the Fourth Reich Blueprint in a bunker somewhere.
        (Godwin)

        Nice work, humanity.

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    • townsvilleblog June 27, 2016 at 10:30 am #

      Hypo, sad but true, it’s not the Labor faction’s but one in particular, the right wing. Following the election, if Labor do lose, it will be time for a complete remake of the party from foundations up to prevent the way the right wing rules the roost by fair means and foul.

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      • Hypo June 27, 2016 at 1:06 pm #

        “it will be time for a complete remake of the party from foundations up to prevent the way the right wing rules the roost by fair means and foul.”

        It will never happen.
        Just as it never did the last dozen times they (cough cough) tried.The ALP are like the Libs.Controlled by deranged mutants subservient to multi-corporate ghouls.The militant unions look after their thug hierarchy and themselves as individuals.They have destroyed Labor ethics,workplace representation and workers hopes emphatically.

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        • Jennifer Wilson June 27, 2016 at 6:43 pm #

          Both major parties are terrified of change.

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          • Hypo June 27, 2016 at 7:21 pm #

            ..only because they would lose,money,power and relevance.

            Easier to terrify/terrorise us.

            I hope we get 2 consolation prizes from this inevitable election.The demise of Abbott and Joyce.That should prove the existence [or non] of the sky fairy.

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          • Marilyn June 27, 2016 at 8:22 pm #

            They are in a cartel and don’t want it interrupted by actual people. IN SA they are both running repulsive campaigns against Xenophon which have no right to exist as they are attacking candidates only.

            Then we have the media chiming in with nonsense like the non-existent frigging fireys dispute only to have to draw back when the head of the Volunteer brigade complains.

            I have put ALP second last and LNP last in every election since 1983 and even house bricks will get my vote before either of them.

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            • Hypo June 27, 2016 at 8:38 pm #

              Firey = ppl who are getting better at lighting fires than actually putting them out.

              Though none are marching in the streets demanding action on climate change.

              What has either major brand done to ‘really’ limit climate change,which is driving the increase in wildfires?
              I hear the CFMEU is (cough cough) anti coal.
              Hint…………the exact number sits between -1 and +1

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    • doug quixote June 28, 2016 at 10:18 am #

      Shorten’s enemies would like to paint him as selling workers out in an attempt to dent his credibility. Examine the negotiations and you will see that he got the best deal possible for the workers.

      I do not share your negativity.

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  2. helvityni June 27, 2016 at 9:28 am #

    A stable man has convictions, he might refine them as he matures, he learns from his errors.
    Nothing stable about Turnbull, there’s was the old Mal, then we got new (Abbott-like) Mal, I’m not one bit interested in future Mal.

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    • helvityni June 27, 2016 at 9:39 am #

      Mal fooled me once, I too wanted Oz to become a republic, but of course at that stage I did not know much about him.

      The last ten months have shown be all about the man, and I don’t like it.

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      • helvityni June 27, 2016 at 9:40 am #

        oops, shown ME

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      • Jennifer Wilson June 27, 2016 at 10:11 am #

        Turnbull can’t afford to alienate the right wing, IMO Helvi. He’s achieved his ambition to be PM, but he’s sold out everything he apparently valued to get there.

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        • helvityni June 27, 2016 at 10:29 am #

          A hollow victory; in getting there he has alienated MORE than just the his own right-wingers.
          And of course all the ‘duttons’ would still be there. What’s new?

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        • Marilyn June 27, 2016 at 8:23 pm #

          I don’t believe that at all, I have seen no sign ever that he had a principle to sell out.

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  3. Hypo June 27, 2016 at 9:32 am #

    Mal-ignant
    Mal-adjusted
    Mal-eable
    Mal-content

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  4. Hypo June 27, 2016 at 10:01 am #

    I wonder how much are the LNP paying Michael Brissenden to let their leader and front benchers run the agenda on TV and radio.
    Or he is a Murdoch journo?

    Poor Mike has perfected back peddling, and made answer dodging into an Olympic sport.

    The warm wet lettuce of political journalism.

    HTFU Michael.

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    • Jennifer Wilson June 27, 2016 at 10:12 am #

      I haven’t been watching much lately, Hypo. Given up on most journos, sadly.

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      • Hypo June 27, 2016 at 10:24 am #

        hahah,
        I’m only talking audio interviews on the radio.Who could watch a journo squirming that much?Bbbbbbbbbbrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.

        The sound of Brissenden eviscerating Morrison with warm fairy floss had me dry reaching.
        Pretty sure the govt picks the interviewer and writes the questions at the ABC,these days.
        Thank goodness for Rake.The best reality TV show in yonks.

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        • Jennifer Wilson June 27, 2016 at 12:37 pm #

          I veer between loving Rake & being totally irritated by it, but I have to agree, it’s got a good script even tho the events sometimes stretch credulity.

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          • diannaart June 27, 2016 at 1:38 pm #

            I agree, and watch in spite of my misgivings – Roxborough is brilliant tho.

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            • Hypo June 27, 2016 at 2:10 pm #

              Yes they have def stretched the boundaries as the series has grown.
              From unlikely to incredulous for the most.
              Red falling to her death?Harry Potter a murderer?

              (It still seems like an ‘alter Rumpole’ on steroids and coke sometimes) .

              But Rox carries all of it seamlessly flaws and more.Brilliant.His timing and caricatures are exquisite.
              Some of the phrases coined and terminology unearthed is a delight.I forgive the foibles.I need the laughs.

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          • Marilyn June 27, 2016 at 10:43 pm #

            Rake saves the week

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        • Marilyn June 27, 2016 at 8:24 pm #

          He was right wing before he went to the US and then became more right wing

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          • Hypo June 27, 2016 at 8:30 pm #

            Brissenden?
            I thought he was just a useless gimp without the ability to ask a question without allowing his guest to control the agenda.
            He looks like a spooked rabbit.Way out of his league.

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            • Jennifer Wilson June 28, 2016 at 7:24 am #

              Hypo. Is there any pubic figure you feel kindly towards? 😀

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              • Hypo June 28, 2016 at 8:07 am #

                Sir David has my unequivocal respect, for one.However I am keep too expand the list.
                People in high /public places are entitled to be incompetent and inept and not fit for purpose.just so long as the promos,bios and CVs match the reality.

                By that I mean walk the talk.Why waste valuable time on polishing a turd?

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                • Hypo June 28, 2016 at 8:08 am #

                  EDIT> ‘keen’ to expand…

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                • Jennifer Wilson June 29, 2016 at 6:38 am #

                  I am in agreement with your view, Hypo. Why indeed?

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    • townsvilleblog June 27, 2016 at 10:36 am #

      IT should not be forgotten that a former Google executive has been placed in charge of the ABC bu the LNP.

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  5. townsvilleblog June 27, 2016 at 10:20 am #

    Reblogged this on Townsville Blog. and commented:
    The LNP are in a factional war, it has gone silent for the election period.

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  6. Hypo June 27, 2016 at 10:40 am #

    The thing we need to remember is at least 50% of the population,at any given time, has a default LNP voting predisposition.More people jump from Labor to Lib than the other way.
    Howard captured plenty of shallow gene pool dwellers.
    Mal will do the same.80% of the population are totally oblivious that we have an environment.99% think growth is a gift from their deity.

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  7. sam jandwich June 27, 2016 at 12:16 pm #

    I wonder whether the Brexit thing will be confusing for both major parties: it seems people have effectively put better self-determination and social cohesion in front of economic prosperity… but then “better self-determination and social cohesion” might mean xenophobia and anti-immigration, rather than tackling disadvantage and exclusion. and more control over trade arrangements probably fits in there somewhere as well.

    Perhaps an indication that politics isn’t actually concerning itself with the things people value most highly…

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    • Jennifer Wilson June 27, 2016 at 12:40 pm #

      I feel for the young people who have to live with these decisions that are made so cavalierly.

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      • Marilyn June 27, 2016 at 8:25 pm #

        The young people didn’t bother to vote, if they don’t vote they can’t blame the old people for the resulte

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        • Hypo June 27, 2016 at 8:27 pm #

          Yep.
          Opt out, die young, STFU.

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        • Jennifer Wilson June 28, 2016 at 7:23 am #

          Yes, I discovered that fact late yesterday, and of course if they didn’t vote they can’t complain about the result.

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    • Hypo June 27, 2016 at 1:15 pm #

      Brexit was a xenophobic tribal vote.Nothing more.England showed what gene pool they sent to Australia.When Abbott gets back in ‘the Empire’ will be rebuilt.knights and dames will abound,uniforms will darken the skyline andflags will fill the foyer.Forest will fall, rivers will be dammed,the natives will be rounded up, and the boats will be stopped before they get built!!
      Bring back conscription Commander in Chief!!

      Remember also that the rumour mill has Abbott pinned as our next Defence Minister.

      Man Monis was a direct 110% product of the hate fuelled bigoted xenophobic Abbott govt.

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      • samjandwich June 27, 2016 at 2:03 pm #

        Good lord, John Howard’s piped up to tell us it’s not about xenophobia, but about the right to decide who comes and who doesn’t (either to the arrivals hall or in the bedroom??): http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/john-howard-lauds-brexit-says-it-was-fuelled-by-immigration-20160627-gpslm0.html

        He’d obviously forgotten that it was his mealy-mouthed weasel demeanour that caused him to be kicked out of his seat!

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        • Hypo June 27, 2016 at 2:13 pm #

          Who to believe Howard or Hanson squawking ,

          “I torld yer serrr”. ?

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        • Jennifer Wilson June 27, 2016 at 3:33 pm #

          Howard doesn’t think that’s what caused him to lose his seat. I don’t know who or what he does blame for that misfortune, but it isn’t himself.

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          • Hypo June 27, 2016 at 5:47 pm #

            after Howard got regurgitated in a rare moment of public awareness he slipped into retirement only to bob up and claim his greatest regret was not doing more to achieve indigenous reconciliation.

            What a lying vain and conceited fkn moon unit.

            He is the line on the sand of repugnant hypocrites.These days he has many approaching equals in LNP and ALP ranks.

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            • Jennifer Wilson June 27, 2016 at 6:46 pm #

              Well, much of our current disarray was instigated by Howard. He seemed appalling at the time, now almost moderate in his views compared to current LNP right wing

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              • samjandwich June 28, 2016 at 10:58 am #

                Don’t worry Jennifer, I still think he’s appalling! He could have easily put the nastiness stirred up by Pauline Hanson to bed by calling it out for what it was and appealing to our better selves. But unfortunately he doesn’t have a better self, so how could he? Instead he adopted Hanson’s thinking into the mainstream, purely to serve his own dubious political ends. The subsequent mess was almost inevitable.

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                • Jennifer Wilson June 29, 2016 at 6:41 am #

                  Sam, the concept of a better self is a dying one. How can it be resurrected?

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      • Jennifer Wilson June 29, 2016 at 6:39 am #

        Monis was a product of the Abbott govt? I don’t get that Hypo.

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  8. diannaart June 27, 2016 at 1:40 pm #

    Dear Malcolm,

    Stability is what we achieve by adapting to change. Change is the thing we can always expect (or the Spanish Inquisition – which ever comes first).

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    • Jennifer Wilson June 27, 2016 at 3:35 pm #

      Well said, diannart.
      Of course the dinosaurs will go full totalitarian rather than face change.

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      • diannaart June 27, 2016 at 3:39 pm #

        Enough with the dissin’ of the dinos – they did not know what hit them – no such excuse for the rabid right.

        Agree with the ‘full total’ – I suspect we really need to strap ourselves in and pack plenty of food…

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        • Jennifer Wilson June 27, 2016 at 6:47 pm #

          Yes, sorry, please, universe, send a meteorite to the LNP

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          • Forrest Gumpp (@ForrestGumpp) June 28, 2016 at 2:02 am #

            This could be it. It needs to be embedded here for accessibility, and it relates to the stability of your yes, born-in-Australia-to-Australian-parents very CITIZENSHIP under this government!

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            • Moz of Yarramulla June 28, 2016 at 12:07 pm #

              According to the article she was born in New Zealand, to Australian parents then adopted in Australia by Australians. Her total time in NZ is a week. But that’s enough for the kiwis to say “that sounds awful, bro, but we can help, no worries”. Meanwhile the Australians say “haha sucks to be you, but we can make it worse”.

              One side issue she probably hasn’t thought about is that her postal vote is a criminal offence, which could cause her to be deported to NZ even before she’s convicted (plus they don’t have to remove any Australian citizenship first since she doesn’t have that).

              I’d sign off with a sarcastic “welcome to Australia”, but that doesn’t seem relevant.

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              • Forrest Gumpp (@ForrestGumpp) June 28, 2016 at 1:46 pm #

                You are quite right about her being born in New Zealand. I didn’t quite know how to highlight all that within a concise hyphenated descriptor and took a small liberty.

                The fact of her technical New Zealand birth serves to highlight the issue of the wider nature of the then descriptor ‘British subject’ used interchangeably with ‘Australian’ around that time. Ordinary legislation since Federation has sought to introduce and make the term ‘Australian citizen’ a more exclusive one purportedly operating to the detriment of erstwhile UK, Irish, Canadian and New Zealand British subjects otherwise lawfully resident in Australia at any time over that period.

                It is my contention that aspects of those various pieces of ordinary legislation on citizenship are inconsistent with necessary implications of Section 44 placitum (iv) of the Constitution as it touches upon the exemption from disqualification from membership of the Commonwealth Parliament of UK British subjects and then Australian British subjects in receipt of pay, or pensioned from, the Armed Forces.

                For the ordinary citizenship legislation to have been fully valid, placitum (iv) would first have had to be removed from the Constitution at a Referendum. This, of course, has never happened, to what should be the profound embarrassment of the ‘political class’ then and now.

                As Jennifer has said in another place: “Class Warfare”. There are a lot of ungirded loins within the Political Class at the moment, no doubt feeling the breeze of the Brexit. The news for them is that another cold front may be on the way.

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    • Forrest Gumpp (@ForrestGumpp) June 28, 2016 at 2:07 am #

      Nobody ever expects the Spanish Inquisition.

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  9. peartonblog June 27, 2016 at 8:03 pm #

    Turnbull’s ‘stability’ is the equivalent of Howard’s ‘relaxed and comfortable’ promise. Well, how’d that go for everyone??

    People voted for Howard because they didn’t like Keating’s talk of Australia being part of Asia, and now Turnbull is counting on the same xenophobia. I don’t think that the voters will disappoint him. Turnbull cannot return on his promise, just as Howard couldn’t, because life is change.

    Turnbull is probably unaware of the Buddhist concept of annica- impermanence is an undeniable and inescapable fact of human existence from which nothing that belongs to this earth is ever free.

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    • Jennifer Wilson June 29, 2016 at 6:46 am #

      I’m certain Turnbull is unaware of impermanence and the perils of attachment, Di.
      Those who plead for stability and certainty are nostalgic for an idealised infancy and childhood in which good adults kept them safe.

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      • peartonblog June 29, 2016 at 7:46 am #

        Turnbull does seem to have replaced his good adults of infancy with Lucy. He seems overly dependent on her.
        Why is she not the candidate?

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        • Jennifer Wilson June 30, 2016 at 7:47 am #

          Oh, Di, you know behind every great man there’s a greater woman blah blah blah

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  10. Hypo June 28, 2016 at 8:02 am #

    LNP Policy update.
    Stop boats let crooks through normal process.Man Monis, Howard Abbott exemplar.
    Then stop (media about) boats while bribing illegal plane arrivals for se/drugs/cash.Go Border Force.
    And latest straegy, em;ost Border Force and USAF and other military to use the back door for criminal activity.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-06-28/us-air-force-border-force-members-allegedly-in-syndicates/7548126

    Good work from Abbott to put crims in unfiorm and give them a catchy name.
    The new commander in Chief will probably enlist OMCG as high school monitors in his first term.
    With borders like this,the ice plague is about to turn Australian suburbia into a Beirut like battlefield in peak conflict times.

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  11. doug quixote June 28, 2016 at 10:08 am #

    I suppose most people have already decided how they will vote. The most recent choice was between the two psychopaths, Rudd and Abbott. Most voters preferenced Abbott.

    This time there are two reasonable human beings. Mal may be narcissistic and self centred, but at least he is no psychopath. However he is held hostage to his party’s right wing, a dangerous collection of RWNJ, holy rollers and psychopaths (not mutually exclusive).

    Shorten is a reasonable human being, one who has grown into his leadership position and may well make a good Prime Minister, given the chance.

    My preferences are no secret. Vote Labor, or vote for who you will but preference Labor second. We cannot afford another lost 3 years.

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    • sam jandwich June 28, 2016 at 10:52 am #

      Rudd – yep agree, a psychopath. We’re fortunate to be rid of him.

      Abbott – not strategic enough. I would think rather narcissistic personality disorder: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissistic_personality_disorder . It seems he’s relatively harmless now he’s not in a position of power. In fact I rather appreciate his contributions these days – he’s kind of like the human equivalent of a Youtube funny fails compilation!

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      • Hypo June 28, 2016 at 5:20 pm #

        Meh about Rudd.
        The unions and factions hated him because he wanted to stop their back door control of govt.Save some vitriol for the current pseudo-ALP who steadfastly refuse to this day to allow their members to reform the party and truly represnt workers,
        Gillard was a hollow glove puppet who chased polls as rabidly as Rudd.She was a heartless cow who had one word in her vocab ‘ejjacayshern’ and no humanity in her heart.If Howard should have called out Hansons race hate then what does that say of Gillards policies of excising our sovereignty and seeking to stop boats for all the same reasons screamed by Abbott et al? SFA.
        The 2 big parties are one half of the same polyp encrusted sphincter.
        Any good that came from her tenure was a collective effort,more attributable to her better players and the 2 indies, and the fact those guys rejected Abbotts lust for demonic possession of govt.
        A drovers dog…..etc.

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      • Marilyn June 28, 2016 at 8:11 pm #

        Rudd was not a psychopath, he had great policies, a great brain and the scumbag racists in the ALP hated him for it.

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        • Hypo June 28, 2016 at 8:28 pm #

          Thanks Marilyn for not allowing the ‘rewriting of history by the MSM and Rudd haters(PLenty in the cockroach basement level).
          The best thing to come out of the Gillard era were attributable to everyone but her.And the apology to the stolen gen was not the work of a psychopath.

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          • Marilyn June 28, 2016 at 10:23 pm #

            Gillard killed off all the good he did because the scabs in Sussex Street were didn’t get on with him.

            But he raised the pensions, Gillard reduced them for single parents, he brought in school kids computers, Gillard cancelled them, he brought in paid parental leave, Gillard took credit for it.

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            • Hypo June 28, 2016 at 11:14 pm #

              Many feminists championed her.Why?
              She was just a loyal opportunistic figure head who did what her masters told her and she willingly jumped before she was asked to.Like I said the greatest shit that happened under her watch was not even owned by her.
              Her only attribute was that she wasn’t Abbott.
              She walked on the back of many people.Rudd, refugees and workers.
              History will forget her quickly.(It almost has.She is seen as a political mistake.She was.) Because she is and was forgettable.No,if we are being really honest and stand Abbott’s poison aside,she was actually regrettable, because in fact she was equally regrettable.She certainly didn’t let her maternal streak off its leash when considering the fate of women and children from a foreign miserable fate.Many have returned under her personal orders.Labor continues the flow to this day,for purely political reasons and they cannot will not ever recover from their capitulation of humanity.I never thought I would see Labor outbid scum like Abbott or Howard.They did and they do.
              Gillard was a PM but she was never a leader and she was never her own woman, while occupying the role of our first female PM.

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              • Jennifer Wilson June 29, 2016 at 6:57 am #

                Hypo, there is in the feminist movement (if such a movement can still be said to exist) a faction that believes as long as a human has a vagina she must voted for by other vaginas. Otherwise traitor. See the Clinton groupies.

                This is not a view to which I have ever subscribed. I refuse to vote with any body part other than my brain.

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                • sam jandwich June 29, 2016 at 9:40 am #

                  I vote with my intuition as well as my brain, because I don’t completely trust my brain and I don’t have the time or the interest to learn about the minutiae of everything that goes on in Canberra.

                  I agree with Hypo that Gillard was not a leader, but for me that was probably her singular failing. Fundamentally I think her heart is in the right place, small heart though it may be, but she was just far too susceptible to outside influences on what she thought was politically necessary, yep, to the extent that she lost herself almost completely – and I think a large part of this was because she was up against a resurgent boys’ club that was determined to destroy her… and succeeded. Things could have been very different if the environment had been more conducive.

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                  • diannaart June 29, 2016 at 9:56 am #

                    Sam, Gillard was a leader right up until she scored the top job. Not unusual, Rudd was great until he achieved the same powerful position. They reacted differently, Rudd thought he knew everything (not an unusual characteristic for aspiring politicians) and Gillard faced a barrage of boys with an agenda, white-anting, misogyny (yes, I dare to use one of the “M” words – because it is true). Unfortunately Gillard was unable to fend off the B/S as successfully as Obama, but then she was pilloried relentlessly by some of the most appalling tactics dealt out by one of our most aggressive LOTO’s – who later found he was not up to leading the nation either (well he did not find this out – everybody else did).

                    Of course we can continue to pick at who wuz da worst until we poison ourselves completely – or move on.

                    I voted early, strategically for Labor in the HoR – because I believe it is imperative for the LNP to be removed ASAP. For the senate, I preferred a diverse mix. The changes to voting only benefit the LNP if people don’t really care for whom they vote – I guess that’s what Turnbull et al are betting on.

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                    • Hypo June 29, 2016 at 10:37 am #

                      “I voted early, strategically for Labor in the HoR – because I believe it is imperative for the LNP to be removed ASAP. For the senate, I preferred a diverse mix. The changes to voting only benefit the LNP if people don’t really care for whom they vote – I guess that’s what Turnbull et al are betting on.”

                      Observation>
                      This is one of the two dominant voting default positions in this nation and why will forever slide backwards and to the right, till the lights finally go out.
                      Comapssion for humans and our non human species and custodianship for the at threat environment is completely off the agenda.
                      When the major advocate party for the environment cares more for marriage equality then the survival of the planet, and is shit scared to utter ‘population’ you know the game is rigged.

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                    • Jennifer Wilson June 30, 2016 at 8:04 am #

                      We do know the game is rigged, Hypo, and we have to play it within those rigged rules. Hopefully a hung parliament will be the outcome, which I see as one small step towards unrigging.

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                    • Jennifer Wilson June 30, 2016 at 8:02 am #

                      I agree with your last para, diannart, did much the same myself. It is imperative for LNP to be removed, and ALP with all its failings offers glimmers of hope entirely absent in the current government.

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                  • Hypo June 29, 2016 at 10:31 am #

                    Yes she is and was a capable woman.But she was a token and was used because of her gender,not rewarded because of it.The usual factional men just dug a little deeper in the gutter to claw back some more power.On the back of a person whose ego came first.
                    Period.

                    Not to say there is anything admirable in her antithesis> the repugnant community dividing cancer who Abbott is and was.

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                  • Jennifer Wilson June 30, 2016 at 8:00 am #

                    I agree, Sam, the circumstances surrounding Gillard were very complex. We are not a sophisticated society when it comes to female leadership and I suspect any woman in Gillard’s position would have had similar challenges.

                    That being said, another woman might have handled those challenges very differently ensuring an alternative outcome, but who knows?

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      • Jennifer Wilson June 29, 2016 at 6:52 am #

        Re mental health diagnoses: My son, who is deep into post graduate psychology studies, carries the DSM V around in his car and treats us to dinner table diagnoses of just about everyone, including us.
        We are thinking of using the volume as a weapon of self-defence.

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        • doug quixote June 29, 2016 at 9:06 am #

          That’s about the best anyone can do, unless we can get the psychopaths committed, and then do some probing. 🙂

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    • Moz of Yarramulla June 28, 2016 at 12:14 pm #

      I’m going to leave the mental health diagnoses to the professionals, but your conclusion I agree with. Faced with a choice between immediate action to make the situation worse with the prospect of horrible if Abbott gets back, and a mixed bag of good and bad, it makes sense to vote for the mixed bag.

      Count me in the “climate emergency” camp, and the whole “we take climate change seriously, but not seriously enough to curtail coal exports” makes me want to cry. I avoid looking at refugees, human rights, inequality, anything really, because looking at climate change is about all I can take. If only there was a party in NSW that took things as seriously as “Save the Planet” in Vic… “The Science Party” is terrifyingly vague on climate change, but wants to double Australia’s population. The Greens at least want to reduce emissions, and hope for 2-3 degrees of warming… while the other major parties regard that as the bare minimum are aim for go higher. Hiding under the bed, while attractive, is ineffective.

      I’m mildly injured right now, but will be handing out how to votes for The Greens for as long as I can manage.

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      • doug quixote June 28, 2016 at 1:03 pm #

        We tolerate psychopaths as “mental health” sufferers at our peril. They are deadly dangerous to us all.

        We don’t need a psychiatrist to diagnose them or treat them – they look after themselves very well indeed.

        Make sure your dopey Greens voters preference Labor. 🙂

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        • Moz of Yarramulla June 28, 2016 at 1:47 pm #

          I trust Jennifer will remove that remark, it’s offensive in several ways.

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          • doug quixote June 28, 2016 at 5:12 pm #

            Ha! This isn’t a kindergarten.

            You do not have a right not to be offended.

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            • Hypo June 28, 2016 at 5:22 pm #

              You really are an ALP factional clone,DQ.
              (That aint a compliment)

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              • doug quixote June 28, 2016 at 5:58 pm #

                No, no, no, no.

                But I hate the Looters & Nutters.

                Fools who vote Green and do not preference Labor do not deserve a vote.

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                • Hypo June 28, 2016 at 7:34 pm #

                  No sadly you’re just a typical (pseudo) Labor apologist.
                  It’s a denial thing .
                  Thats why they have no hope.Too many deniers and mediocrity junkies.Their underclass is no longer apathetic, they are deliberately happy to fly at warp speed to the right.

                  I predict Labor will have a fair share of the senate as will the greens.In a Liberal Nats HOR dominated govt. The greens could have got even more, with a real leader and a policy set based on their memberships rather than the opinion polls .

                  Abbott will be back to sabotage his way back into power shortly after,Uber Lieutenant Schlongstaffer Brandis will have most of the fence sitters entrapped by now, by way of background checks etc by now.Thats where he has been hiding,Have you not noticed the missing slime trail?

                  Labor will have another rancid autopsy, the factions will threaten and bully and win and draft a new militant bendover specialist, as leader etc and we’ll all go back to go…Tick tick tick…..

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          • Jennifer Wilson June 29, 2016 at 7:07 am #

            Robust debate, Moz, robust debate. 😀

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            • Moz of Yarramulla June 29, 2016 at 7:58 am #

              I am really not keen on the combination of concealing whatever claim to mental health expertise a commenter might have, and labelling others as mentally ill. They’re either violating professional confidences, or they’re an arsehole (probably the latter, but I try to be charitable). I think I’ll stick with “don’t read the comments”, and preference ALP despite the obvious attempt to dissuade me.

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        • Marilyn June 28, 2016 at 8:12 pm #

          Why would the Greens preference psychopaths who trade and jail babies on Nauru and call it border protection?

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      • Jennifer Wilson June 29, 2016 at 7:04 am #

        I share many of your sentiments, Moz though I don’t hand out how to vote cards for anyone.

        There is too much horror for any one person to take on, which is why I like it that some of us focus on one aspect, like Marilyn with refugees for example, and you with climate change.

        The sheer volume of the carnage is impossible to contemplate.

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        • Hypo June 29, 2016 at 8:36 am #

          THIS^

          but without a sustainable human population it is game over.This drives everything.Wars,conflict,resource,climate,disease,suffering,extinction etc etc.
          Tipping point IMO is breached already..The timeline is the only question between seeing the outcome in advance and living it.
          Deckchairs, people.

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    • Jennifer Wilson June 29, 2016 at 6:48 am #

      I voted yesterday DQ. We have limited choice in Page but I did my best. 😀

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      • doug quixote June 29, 2016 at 9:22 am #

        Saffin sounds like a reasonable candidate. If Page returns to the fold, Labor have a chance to regain government.

        The pundits say it is hard to win 20 seats, but the 4% swing required is not a mountain to climb. We shall see!

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        • Jennifer Wilson June 30, 2016 at 7:55 am #

          I am trying not to think about it DQ. I’m covering my ears for a couple of days.

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  12. Hypo June 29, 2016 at 8:32 am #

    A true democracy would see fully independently costed policies presented in an unemotional format to voters.Voters would then ‘blind vote’ on the policy set .
    The winner would be the collective of those who had the policy sets most popular.
    In Australia we vote in a brain dead sporting team mindset.
    Somehow we think ‘voting that other mob out’ is the end game.

    “Dad always voted LNP lite so I will too”

    Each election we spew our diminishing intellectual capital and potential for sustainable peaceful productive society down the shitter.
    The rise of micro parties was a timely warning, which as usual we ignored, so we wipe the bowl this time around and continue to dry reach on the twin LNP parties.

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    • doug quixote June 29, 2016 at 9:13 am #

      A lot of the choice comes down to the personalities involved, and an assessment of likely performance.

      There is no point in voting for the best policies in the world if the candidates cannot be trusted to carry through, or are incapable of carrying through.

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      • Hypo June 29, 2016 at 10:26 am #

        “A lot of the choice comes down to the personalities involved”

        Hence the mess.This ^ attitude is driven by and enables nutjobs.

        Lets vote for good guys with stupid dangerous impossible ideas shall we?

        Bring on that meteor.

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        • doug quixote June 29, 2016 at 5:32 pm #

          Read the rest of my post, please. I do try.

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          • Hypo June 29, 2016 at 7:20 pm #

            I did read it all DQ.

            Point is the policy mediocrity we have now is driven by such mindsets.
            *We get the govt we deserve*
            Now we have a permanent death spiral of govt we deserve because those with enough intellect and the voices to demand change, just apologise for the system, and defend the status quo.

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            • Jennifer Wilson June 30, 2016 at 8:05 am #

              Short of revolution, what is to be done? I can’t see a revolution getting up in this country, btw.

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              • Hypo June 30, 2016 at 12:11 pm #

                With the rise of social media and its influence it is entirely in the hands of the people to create and drive policy.The toolbox has never been fuller.
                However,it also needs an obvious ‘will’ to do so.
                Apathy is increasing at the same rate as platforms to have a robust political engagement, so there’s a disconnect problem.
                people would rather watch game of thrones than sign a petition.And when people sign a petition they think their bit is done.
                I guess if the next gens want a world worth living in they had better pull their fingers out.
                But still no ‘population debate’ anywhere, so methinks outside of a virus which sterilises humans the planet is now close to it’s ecological limitations.

                But apparently…..

                She’ll be right, mate!

                (Won’t she?)

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        • Jennifer Wilson June 30, 2016 at 8:03 am #

          It’s true that voting for personalities is a crap way to go. I don’t know how we get back to what matters, such as policies.

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          • diannaart June 30, 2016 at 12:37 pm #

            Like you am hoping for another hung parliament – one that swings more to the left than the right 😉

            Question: Is Hypo voting? If so, for whom?

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    • Jennifer Wilson June 30, 2016 at 7:51 am #

      I wish I hadn’t read these colourful turns of phrase just before breakfast, Hypo.

      Apart from that, I agree with you.

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  13. Hypo June 29, 2016 at 10:58 am #

    Watch as the LNP use every possible news outlet to walk on the lost lives in the latest terrorist attack in Turkey.The LNP scum will frame this as a thret to us directly if we dare to contemplate a change of govt.Media blackout means nothing.Never has.LNP,election by news grab.

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    • doug quixote June 30, 2016 at 10:29 am #

      “Never get between a premier and a bucket of money” as Paul Keating put it.That goes for union officials and Looters Party apparatchiks as well.

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  14. paul walter June 30, 2016 at 7:45 am #

    My viral problems have been different to Jennifer’s, but unpleasant nonetheless.

    As to topic, I am utterly vomiting at the never witnessed before naked bias of the ABC toward Turdball,,, not a fig fleaf of pretence and my only source of information has been the fringe circulation Trotskyite rag the Telegraph.

    Britain is also a laugh, I think Cameron called his referendum before Jeremy Corbyn was ever ALP Leader and his own still want to knife him let alone the Tories, who Labour should be falling upon in unison after this.. No wonder their soccer team got beaten with all this disruption.

    You tell me?

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    • paul walter June 30, 2016 at 7:46 am #

      Syntax doth sleep..the ABC right wing bias.

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    • Jennifer Wilson June 30, 2016 at 8:07 am #

      Hope you’re feeling better PW.
      I too am astounded at what appears to be an ABC bias unlike anything I’ve seen before. Mostly manifested on television, not so much on radio.

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      • paul walter June 30, 2016 at 8:25 pm #

        I am my usual self. The computer was infected, but slowly, despite all obstacles things are getting back to normal with it. But I have suffered too, with all the tech hassles that go with it.

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        • Jennifer Wilson July 1, 2016 at 7:32 am #

          Once I tried to download a photo of Julia Gillard from Google images and my screen was immediately flooded with images of vaginas. It took me days to get rid of the virus & recover access to my hard drive.

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          • Hypo July 1, 2016 at 8:30 am #

            I’m sure many people have had the opposite problem JW,

            (My turn to *snort*, tee hee)

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  15. paul walter June 30, 2016 at 10:39 pm #

    Jennifer, you had the flu, didn’t you? A bad dose? Hope all is well by now.

    re topic, I include the following by journeyman blogger Tim Dunlop:

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-06-30/dunlop-brexit-just-the-start-of-a-bigger-jobs-fight/7556004

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  16. Hypo July 21, 2016 at 9:29 am #

    Stability?

    >
    “WARNING FOR AUSTRALIA

    US Vice President Joe Biden met with Malcolm Turnbull in Sydney yesterday, saying the two nations were a “genuine brotherhood” committed to “making sure the sea lanes are open and the skies are free for navigation”.

    He said waterways such as the South China Sea were “the life bloodlines of commerce and the economic growth worldwide” and Australia and the US were ready to face “any challenges in the Pacific with a united front.”

    US and Australian troops plan to step up training so they are “fully prepared” to cope with rising tensions over Beijing’s claims in the region.

    A senior foreign ministry official this week told visiting journalists China was “very disappointed” at comments made in Australia after the ruling, The Australian reported.

    Australia was warned its position was “detrimental to the political foundation of our relationship”, and “present co-operation” would be “damaged” if it took further action.”

    http://www.news.com.au/world/asia/disappointed-china-ramps-up-military-drills-in-disputed-waters/news-story/cfdb17f69f9197987f90bc09f5a241cf

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