On violence against women

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   Dejan Tesic November 26, 2011 at 1:00 pm #

   Then again it just might be that this particular kind of violence is increasingly reported, while it actually is reduced.

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     Jennifer Wilson November 26, 2011 at 9:19 pm #

     It’s hard to say, I think it is reported more often but whether or not it’s reduced –

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       Dejan Tesic November 27, 2011 at 2:19 pm #

       Yes, it’s hard to find the numbers you can trust (it seems that at both ends there’s someone who’s fiddling with them to strengthen their own case). However – and this is just my opinion, not science – perhaps bcs I come from a different part of the world (and a different culture) I am under the impression that saying (often and aloud) that’s it’s wrong to hit women actually reduces the hitting of the said women. I’d like to think so anyway… bcs hitting anyone (especially weaker) stinks. That’s what Steven Pinker would call a “civilizing process” (and before him, Norbert Elias).

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         Jennifer Wilson November 27, 2011 at 3:53 pm #

         This is what is so puzzling – I agree with you on the civilizing process concept,and the role speaking out plays in that. However, it appears that in spite of that process, the stats for violence against women and child abuse don’t reveal a decrease in either, and oftentimes suggest an increase in western democracies.

         I agree the stats are sometimes manipulated and this makes it difficult to discern what is going on. Also the “civilizing process” perhaps creates a cultural change that makes reporting these violences easier for victims, and that accounts for the figures.

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   Poodle November 27, 2011 at 11:58 am #

   Nothing we have done so far has reduced violence against women.

   Nothing.

   Does this suggest that we are missing something?

   Get kyle Sandilands off the air might be a good start…

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     Jennifer Wilson November 27, 2011 at 12:49 pm #

     If only that were so, Poodle! As fast as he’s got rid of, another turd turns up to take his place.

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   Beste November 30, 2011 at 4:50 pm #

   I couldn’t help but notice this from Libby Davies, White Ribbon CEO response to some of the comments to Melinda Tankard Reists The Punch article

   http://tinyurl.com/dy8ra2j

   “never okay to be physically, sexually, emotionally, financially or spiritually violent towards women”

   All forms of violence that she mentioned are defined (sort of*) at Men Referral Cente
   http://tinyurl.com/cmohja8

   See how domestic violence has gone from beating or hitting your wife to simply refusing to listen to her or any other simple form of “controlling” behaviour. Which relationship doesn’t have any form of these behaviours to some degree?

   *they said should not be regarded as definitive but it’s does look like they’re trying to conflate violent behaviour with other behaviours.

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     Jennifer Wilson November 30, 2011 at 5:23 pm #

     I don’t know how these things can be established, and it sounds really easy for people to lie about one another’s behaviours and their effects, especially under stress of separation. I’m also thinking these behaviours aren’t necessarily gendered –

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