Government v Triggs

24 Oct



It’s hardly President of the Human Rights Commission Gillian Triggs’ fault when the Australian government is the worst human rights offender that Commission has to deal with.

When a government acts criminally, one hope for recourse is that statutory bodies will refuse to collude with or enable that government’s criminal behaviour, and indeed, that such bodies will name and shame the errant government.

The Turnbull government’s accusation that Professor Triggs is “politicising” her role is, like much of this government’s spin, farcical. For a start human rights are inherently political, and secondly all actions by governments are also inherently political. If the Turnbull government is determined to transgress the human rights of refugees currently abandoned to a highly uncertain future on Manus Island and Nauru, Professor Triggs has no option but to hold it accountable, otherwise she isn’t doing her job.

Of course any commentary Triggs runs on the government of the day is necessarily political, favourable or otherwise. There are instances in which even the silence of someone in her position is political.

Is it the government’s expectation that Triggs will ignore human rights abuses because they are perpetrated by the government? In what country are we living?

Triggs isn’t acting in isolation. Amnesty, the UNHCR, professionals who’ve worked on Manus and Nauru, refugee advocates, some thirty nation states, and this editorial in the New York Times speak with one voice to Australia’s refugee detention policies, and that one voice is damning.

There’s no doubt that in some instances, including the New York Times editorial, there’s blatant examples of the pot/kettle affliction, however, that does not invalidate the truth of the protests against Australia’s policies.

In a classic abuser pattern of behaviour, the Turnbull government continues its efforts to destroy the messenger, in this case Professor Triggs, though the government isn’t fussy, the tactic is transferable. The first concern of abusers is to silence accusers, and the government has displayed this pathology innumerable times, not only in relation to the secrecy with which it surrounds Manus and Nauru and threats of retribution, including imprisonment, against anyone who might transgress those secrecy demands.

Last week, the Border Force Act was amended to remove a comprehensive list of health professionals from the threat of two years jail for speaking publicly about conditions they encountered whilst working in the detention camps. The Turnbull government was forced to make this particular backflip because health professionals have spoken out regardless of the intimidation, and even this collection of political grotesques can see the folly of prosecuting them. However, they can still go after Gillian Triggs and deprived of other targets, they’ll no doubt double their efforts.

(Note to Turnbull government: never wise to make threats you can’t carry out. Makes you look wussy.)

Obviously, the solution for the government is to cease persecuting refugees. The pursuit of Professor Triggs is a distraction: don’t look at the refugees, look at this woman who is (allegedly) overstepping her role. It’s a greater offence to (allegedly) overstep a role than it is to torture refugees. Again, we see the classic abuser spin: it is a far worse crime to speak out about abuse than it is to perpetrate it.

It’s been messenger season as long as I can remember, in private and in public life. The paradigm is deeply entrenched in our society. It starts at the top and it doesn’t trickle down, it roars like a river in flood. It’s time to turn it around and put the focus where it belongs: on the perpetrator. In this case, the Turnbull government.

Stand with the messengers. Stand with Gillian Triggs.




92 Responses to “Government v Triggs”

  1. doug quixote October 24, 2016 at 9:13 am #

    “Looters & Nutters Party protocol

    Points for interviews:

    1. Blame Triggs for exceeding authority;
    2. Blame Labor for weakening border protection;
    3. Blame people smugglers;
    4. Blame asylum seekers for daring to come at all.

    If the interview is not yet out of time, repeat 1-4 as required.”

    See? A multilateral strategy.

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    • Marilyn October 24, 2016 at 5:38 pm #

      You could be talking about either party, they both whinge about ”borders” while not noticing we don’t fucking have any, they both abuse non-existent people smuggling ( with the MSM complicitly lazy and ignorant),

      They both blame refugees for daring to arrive and are both as evil and abusive. FFS Shorten and Plibersek are still whining about the illegal Malaysia human trade deal.

      All these evil policies have been endorsed and written by the ALP since 1992 and I am sick of ALP supporters pretending otherwise.


      • diannaart October 24, 2016 at 6:11 pm #

        “All these evil policies have been endorsed and written by the ALP since 1992 and I am sick of ALP supporters pretending otherwise.

        Completely agree, Marilyn. Claiming that the LNP and Labor make a democratic government is like claiming Coles and Woolies make for a competitive market place.


  2. helvityni October 24, 2016 at 10:27 am #

    We have bullies and liars in charge, they don’t want to see the truth in any matter, they blame and punish, they punish asylum seekers for NOT drowning, they hate Gillian Triggs for caring, for doing her job.

    None of these monsters are new-comers in Oz politics, yet we vote them in power. What’s wrong with the population.

    Liked by 2 people

    • Jennifer Wilson October 24, 2016 at 11:08 am #

      That’s a question I’d like to see answered Helvi. It’s the age of idiocy & entitlement.


  3. diannaart October 24, 2016 at 11:00 am #

    None of these monsters are new-comers in Oz politics, yet we vote them in power. What’s wrong with the population.

    These monsters start in OUR society, OUR culture and WE vote for them and we reward them; sportspeople, business executives, politicians, loud and vexatious public commentators.

    Speaking out an unwanted truth by ANYONE at any level has become fraught. From the online blog through to the most powerful people, anyone who dares to speak from a position of truth, knowledge and experience is damned if the topic is “too awkward”.

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  4. paul walter. October 24, 2016 at 2:16 pm #

    Another crisp piece from JW.

    I watched the Drum nervously try to concoct a beat up on Prof.Triggs last week after a spate of poor decisions from the government had had to be covered and realised it was another reactive attempt to side track attention away from real issues of the sort raised here.

    Issues no longer matter with conservatives, only the nurturing and defence of unstable and inflated ego states.

    Watching Penny Wong and a Greens Senator smack down the enfant terrible George Brandis the other day and listening briefly to more inane babble from Christopher Pyne over the weekend, I came to the conclusion that this side of politics is deranged, the only question is whether temporarily or permanently.

    The more they go after independent thinkers like Triggs like rabid dogs, the more public opinion may turn on them. Triggs carries herself with dignity and has the sharpest of minds.

    I think the lady is not for turning. The bullying may well have her dig her heels in even harder, as with the Solicitor-General Justin Gleeson, subject to vile, intemperate Star Chamber attacks by neo McCarthyite thugs last weeks. Thinking people will become alarmed at the implications of brownshirt tactics for themselves and families, moving into the future also.

    We will see who is vindicated, who has the last laugh shortly, although the ignorance, prejudice and reactivity alive and well in populist Australian society will make the fight against Medievalism as tough a fight as ever.

    A St Crispin’s Day time, methinks.

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    • helvityni October 24, 2016 at 2:42 pm #

      Paul, in my view:

      Pyne is a pain in the butt, but Wong never does anything wrong.


      • paul walter. October 24, 2016 at 4:14 pm #

        Well, I reckon Triggs and Penny Wong are a bit alike, maybe you could include Hanson Young, but definitely the first two. They are seasoned warriors, they have stood up to the worst of it and not broken.

        They are formidable, little or nothing fazes them anymore. If you wanted back up for a cognitive bunfightl, these are the sort of people you would want on your side.

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        • helvityni October 24, 2016 at 4:42 pm #

          Good women all three, role models to any girl ; I could not say the same about Kelly, Michaelia or Mirabella… 🙂

          Liked by 1 person

        • Marilyn October 24, 2016 at 5:41 pm #

          Sarah and Gillian have never sold out their principles, Wong supported the human trade deals.


      • Marilyn October 24, 2016 at 5:40 pm #

        Wong supported the evil Pacific Solution, the Malaysian human trade.


        • doug quixote October 25, 2016 at 12:04 am #

          Unlike you (or me), she has to abide by Labor Party policy and party discipline.

          Give her a break. Go back to picking on Gillard.

          (DQ’s eyes roll.)


          • Marilyn October 25, 2016 at 5:47 am #

            Fuck off Doug, no decent human being throws their principles in the bin to appease a fucking political party, it means they just never actually had any, And that vicious bitch Gillard and her evil twin Roxon wrote the damn laws and rammed them though parliament with Penny’s help


            • doug quixote October 25, 2016 at 10:59 am #

              Their priorities are different to yours. Health, social welfare, education, working conditions and the like. The way our entire system works, not just the welfare of a few asylum seekers.


              • Marilyn October 25, 2016 at 7:28 pm #

                If we can just deride refugees and dismiss their torture we are a nation of savages. Congratulations, you just got your I AM A SAVAGE, badge.


  5. paul walter. October 24, 2016 at 6:29 pm #

    Sad to see that the Solicitor General has been bullied into resigning.

    Surely the wrong lies with George Brandis?

    This is abominable.

    Liked by 1 person

    • helvityni October 24, 2016 at 7:13 pm #

      Never ending bad news; changing PMs has not made one iota of difference.

      Liked by 1 person

    • Jennifer Wilson October 24, 2016 at 7:42 pm #

      It’s ghastly, PW. We should be very afraid of the path this government is taking.


    • doug quixote October 25, 2016 at 11:07 am #

      “For the avoidance of any doubt, I also make perfectly plain that I reject absolutely each and every attack and insinuation that has been made in recent times upon me personally, or upon my office, by Government members of Parliament, including you, [Brandis]”

      – Justin Gleeson, resigning as Solicitor General.

      He just did not need this crap.

      It appears that Triggs is made of sterner stuff. Good on her.

      Liked by 1 person

      • Jennifer Wilson October 26, 2016 at 6:44 am #

        I wish he hadn’t resigned, but on the other hand, perhaps it will prove to be a nail in the LNP coffin.


        • doug quixote October 26, 2016 at 9:37 am #

          I’d like to put a stake through their fascist hearts. But they are like cockroaches – kill one and a dozen of their mates come to the funeral.

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          • helvityni October 26, 2016 at 9:49 am #

            DQ, no worries, no doubt Mal will soon find a more agreeable man, a man to Brandis’ liking. A very sought after position after all ,I hear…

            And a MAN it will be…

            Liked by 1 person

            • Jennifer Wilson October 27, 2016 at 7:18 am #

              Whoever takes that position will be cursed from the start. So better it’s a man, though they usually get women in when the mess has got this big.


  6. Fiona October 24, 2016 at 10:13 pm #

    Paul is right to link Justin Gleeson’s and Gillian Triggs’ situations.

    This regime is hell-bent on the destruction of Australian democracy.

    Those of us who presaged fascism as the 2013 election approached may be feeling vindicated, but we definitely aren’t happy.

    Liked by 2 people

    • Jennifer Wilson October 25, 2016 at 7:20 am #

      The plan is to get rid of all heads of statutory bodies & replace them with lackies, reducing any possibility of government accountability. IMHO


      • diannaart October 25, 2016 at 10:45 am #


        Our ABC should be used as a remedial example on how to destroy independence of thought from within an organisation.

        Such behaviour fits with Jennifer’s theory of regressive entitlement – without merit; there are clearly values which should never be considered debatable such as the right to secure housing, education, healthcare, liveable income etc. This self-entitlement runs counter to the benefit of everyone. I do believe we can still have rich and poor – just not such a massive divide.

        This does mean some power will be relinquished and this is where fear sets in. The idea we can share is anathema to many. A good example of this is the reaction by some men to the ascension of women into positions of power, we are hardly at a representative ratio yet some men behave as if they have been neutered. Which explains that many women in power are as self-entitled as their male peers – Maggie Thatcher would never have been PM if she was anything but far right.

        Really need my morning cuppa – have reread and it is clumsy writing – brain fog. Feel free, anyone to build upon or (reasonably) destroy what I have said.

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        • Jennifer Wilson October 26, 2016 at 6:50 am #

          I think I heard that Julie Bishop declared the SG was *the government’s lawyer.* In which case she is very ill-informed as my understanding is that the SG acts independently (hopefully).
          Though I do recall the SG at the time of the Tampa, and Children Overboard, advising Howard on excision and detention, and likening asylum seekers to infectious diseases.
          The entitled hold unexamined beliefs of their superiority to absolutely everyone else.

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      • doug quixote October 25, 2016 at 11:20 am #

        Anyone who disagrees with George Brandis has to go.

        BTW, is there one good minister in this government? I’ve yet to see one.

        Liked by 1 person

        • helvityni October 25, 2016 at 11:42 am #

          No, I’m too disgusted with the lot of them, not ONE good apple in the Liberal basket, all rotten to the core.

          Liked by 1 person

        • Jennifer Wilson October 26, 2016 at 6:43 am #

          There isn’t one. Even if there was someone inclined towards good they’d be beaten down until they adhered to the party line which contains nothing good at all.


  7. paul walter. October 25, 2016 at 1:32 pm #

    Another example, its a disease because the mentality is endemic and pathological:

    This is actually serious if Joyce has been lying to Parliament.

    Re Diannart’s cup of tea post and neutering, I think the answer is this.

    Because the pathology is underlyingly the same, the males are predictable. All these male politicians are reactive and in control freak mode.

    They are can be second guessed.

    What drives the fear of neutering/ disempowerment (also, I believe many women also fear rogue women, if you like) is not so much that they are women, but women of a certain outlook, a bit crazy, employed by the system as ferrets, to break resistance through an added element of unpredictability… Nurse Ratched or Castrating Mother types.

    My immediate example would be someone like Michelle Guthrie, someone who seems to be the opposite sort of person to say, Jennifer Wilson.

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    • helvityni October 25, 2016 at 4:21 pm #

      I don’t fear Nurse Ratchet’s or Castrating Mother type women, any more than any bitchy/argumentative females, I just prefer to keep my interactions with them minimal in real life, and in the blogging world I try to avoid them altogether.

      If I was unlucky to have one of those monster women as my immediate boss, I left the job immediately, without further ado…


      • paul walter. October 25, 2016 at 6:34 pm #

        Should it be, regardless of if you have a Brandis OR a Rebekah Brooks type as a boss, you that takes on a cost rather than the individual responsible for the conflict?

        I do see your point. it is not foolish to avoid the bully in the schoolyard, that would go without saying also.

        But it rankles. I just want to counter the notion that it is only gender that repels a person (male, say) as to who they work with or under (a female?). There other factors we would include, bearing and attitude, trustworthiness, lack of reasonablity, etc?


        • diannaart October 25, 2016 at 8:44 pm #

          Apart from genitalia, Paul, I don’t see much difference between the Rebekah Brooks or the George Brandiseseses – they will lie, say anything to achieve their goal. Even being caught out does not necessarily bring about a ‘mea culpa’, if we’re lucky the paparazzi may take picture where they appear guilty – however, these ‘alphas’ don’t do remorse very well.

          Their close cousins, the internet troll are definitely to be avoided. I quite agree with Helvityni on this. On places like Youtube, trolls are so reprehensible, there is no point in trying reason and I don’t bother with them. But you’d think it is possible to reason with some people… Of course when a group gangs up on one person who has been judged, tried and sentenced without a fair hearing – I tend to stand up to those bullies – whether it is myself who has been falsely accused or other people. I have walked out on a job because one person was being treated appallingly and I knew my sudden departure would cause the manager plenty of problems, I knew I couldn’t get the manager to to keep my co-worker employed (as if she’d want to stay anyway), but that was a long time ago, when jobs were easy to get…

          Nowadays I can please myself as to where I will comment and to whom.

          If any of this does not relate to my brain foggy morning comments – that’s because I developed a migraine which is still holding me in thrall. Not an excuse – just an explanation.

          Bonne nuit.

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          • paul walter. October 25, 2016 at 11:34 pm #

            Et tu.

            Hope the migraine clears. This time of year I cop allergy headaches, so offer my sympathies.


            • diannaart October 26, 2016 at 9:36 am #

              Thank you, Paul.

              My head is foggy, but my conscience is clear.



    • Jennifer Wilson October 26, 2016 at 6:55 am #

      That Barnaby Joyce thing ought to be keenly investigated, I hope someone keeps it alive because what he did was serious all right.
      How do they continue to get away with all this perfidy, where the hell is the opposition? They are being handed material on a silver plate, why are they so silent?

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      • diannaart October 26, 2016 at 9:35 am #

        Labor are nothing if not consistent – on droppingtheball/ignoring/toodimwittedtonotice – I favour ‘ignoring’ myself. Labor are very selective regarding which issues to take on.

        On AIMN I have had robust debate with Labor supporters who, despite their apparent intelligence. are just as myopic about their party as the current blight of LNP supporters.

        Anyone remember Petro Georgiou? The last Liberal politician with a conscience.

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      • diannaart October 26, 2016 at 9:41 am #

        We must talk about Barnaby…

        He is taking further liberties – must be contagious because the far-right of the LNP have been taking their extreme views and inflicting their results on the public, without recourse.

        No-one is prepared to call a halt.

        Liked by 1 person

        • Jennifer Wilson October 27, 2016 at 7:17 am #

          They’re out of control, diannart. They no longer care what they do or how they do it.


  8. paul walter. October 26, 2016 at 12:56 am #

    Back to the topic. I’d imagined at least some watched QA on Monday when the refugee issue was again raised.

    You’d have expected little better than dishonest answers from some panelists, but did find it curious, the ducking and weaving from the usually forthright Tanya Plibersek as to third country settlement of refugees. I beíieve she sensed an ambush, but couldn’t understand why she couldn’t just say that the reason refugees aren’t brought here from Manus and Nauru is actually because of the politics.


    • helvityni October 26, 2016 at 8:53 am #

      Paul, on asylum seekers Labor is as bad as the Coalition, I assume they think that as the majority of Australians are anti-asylum, they too have to take that stance….
      Tanya, Penny and many of their best members go along for the sake of “unity”…I don’t believe that Albanese and say Dreyfus and others are anti asylum seekers….Even Sinodinos seemed a bit embarrassed

      I was very impressed with Robert Manne, the American journo seemed an angry type of person.

      ( I so wish that older women would cut their long blond locks, Judith Sloan included) Just trying to help…. 🙂

      PS. On Tabletalk Dali came up with $inodino$, wonder where he is now…?


      • paul walter. October 26, 2016 at 10:39 am #

        I think also foreign relations. The Americans want people to think mid easterners are untrustworthy because it makes it easier to to justify military interventions in the mid east and don’t want people to worry about all the refugees the wars create. They play big game politics along with Chinese and Russians and all else is subordinate to the jostlings involved.

        Refugees therefore seek to escape to or through places like Indonesia and Malaysia who are reluctant given the economics in their own countries to take responsibility for too many refugees.

        So the deals have been made, that Australia discourages them this end so less refugees seek to go through countries further north…in turn they hold the refugees there but are allowed to themselves to discourage asylum seekers because we wont take them.

        Had Plibersek called the thing for what it is she would have attacked savagely for challenging “bipartisanship”and antagonising the Asian nations, encouraging mythical people smugglers and asylum seekers perhaps even irritating the US for allowing the humanisation of refugees.

        dq and Marilyn had a quick chat about Wong further back in postings and I think foreign affairs backgrounds that problem.

        Don’t look to the governments for ethics on this, it is a realpolitk collusion and the ambush Plibersek was struggling to avoid.

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  9. helvityni October 26, 2016 at 9:39 am #

    Abdul Aziz Adam, a Manus Island detainee wrote an article for AIM network: Manus Island: The door of death.

    It got all ten comments, two of them mine. People don’t seem to care. Sad.

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    • diannaart October 26, 2016 at 9:44 am #

      Yes, Helvityni a woeful response.

      Liked by 1 person

    • Jennifer Wilson October 27, 2016 at 7:17 am #

      Helvi, I don’t think a lot of Australians give a toss about refugees on Manus & Nauru. Out of sight out of mind, which is what both ALP & LNP governments intended.


  10. Havana Liedown October 26, 2016 at 4:02 pm #

    I can’t recall Ms. Triggs complaining about the number of children in detention, which Labor and The Greens happily attracted, in 2008-2013 after Labor vainly dismantled our “Pacific Solution”. Only when Labor were booted out did she start making her partisan noises. Nobody who cares about the integrity of our immigration system cares what she has to say about anything.

    Overpaid, – and a waste of space (especially if you consider she was championing the cause of an illegal immigrant who bashed his pregnant spouse to death with a bicycle – demanding compensation for him). Thankfully her contract is up next year. She could run for Parliament. She could run in Warringah as a celebrity candidate.


  11. paul walter. October 26, 2016 at 8:37 pm #

    And so it goes.

    What ‘Havana doesn’t remind us of, is a point covered in the Robbert Manne piece below, that Rudd tried a kinder way but was burned for it by Abbott.

    The one thing Manne could have added for context would be Howard’s refusal of reassurances to the public that bringing refugees here would not punitive.

    Imho, the direct opposite happened for reasons I speculated on here earlier.

    But it is state of the art writing and far beyond most of the commentaries on the sad, sorry and sordid tale.

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  12. doug quixote October 27, 2016 at 7:17 pm #

    Vis a vis nothing in particular – I just love the vocals and the images

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    • paul walter. October 27, 2016 at 10:13 pm #

      Yes. Was fascinated with this in my teens.

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      • paul walter. October 27, 2016 at 10:39 pm #

        Of course, even allowing for Robert Fripp, they key figure must be Greg Lake, the bassist and producer, who shortly ditched King Crimson for Emerson, Lake and Palmer…huge in-feeds of nineteenth century classical music and gothic themes throughout, until they overreached and disintegrated in the late seventies.

        Keith Emerson, the gifted keybordist, eventually died under disturbing circumstances.

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        • Jennifer Wilson October 28, 2016 at 6:34 am #

          Ah! Emerson Lake & Palmer! Now I’m oriented. *Give your love to me tonight…* and swelling chords. They were OK.


      • Jennifer Wilson October 28, 2016 at 7:12 am #

        PW, DQ, Guys, I just found this when I opened my Twitter feed straight after looking at DQ’s video link there is a collective unconscious after all this is such a spooky coincidence:


        • doug quixote October 28, 2016 at 8:42 am #


          I am re-reading Stephen King’s ‘The Dark Tower’ series where the font of all evil is the Crimson King.

          A collective consciousness is no myth. As John Lennon put it, we all shine on.


          • paul walter. October 28, 2016 at 11:06 am #

            Well may may the mockers knock, but late sixties music, from say, Sgt Peppers on,was like no music ever put out before.

            Agree with DQ re the treacly montage, my recollection will always be of fed houses, bean bags and wooden speaker-box stereos with manual bass/treble.


    • Jennifer Wilson October 28, 2016 at 6:31 am #

      First time I’ve seen that, DQ. Is it new or old?
      In my stream of consciousness when I saw the mermaid I went immediately to Bette Midler in a wheelchair in a mermaid suit singing *The question before us, is where’s her clitoris*
      Thence to the fairytale in which the mermaid falls in love with an earth man & exchanges her tail for legs & feet that give her nothing but agonising pain every time she walks.
      Hmmmmm. I seem to be crashing through the images with a wrecking ball. Sorry. 🙂


      • doug quixote October 28, 2016 at 8:35 am #

        The song and the singing is 1969 vintage – Peter Sinfield was the poet who wrote the lyrics for King Crimson.

        ‘In the Court of the Crimson King’ was the album.

        The images are a mixture of the twee, the beautiful and the magical (in the best sense of that word).

        Like Dylan’s, the lyrics are still apposite.

        DQ sighs.


  13. paul walter. October 27, 2016 at 10:55 pm #

    Perhaps back to the thread, an article that goes somewhere toward what I was trying to mansplain earlier as to the ambience that underlies the asylum seeker debate…

    This on a day where we discover the reprehensible Bob Day, carrying $40 millions of debt may be conveniently bailed out by a mystery “White knight” (DQ, am onto you!!) and the CEO of Dream world is to be paid a million dollar bonus AFTER the deaths of four people on her watch.

    The key sentence comes with consideration of an inheritance tax: “The case for an inheritance tax is well established (but) any such tax would be opposed by the wealthy elite”.

    The more disempowerment and uncertainty gathers pace, the more it becomes a panicky free for all, as the wealthy spurn us and we spurn asylum seekers as potential rivals for a dwindling slice of the cake.

    That this state of affairs need NOT be the case has been well proven for some time,including by economists, but it is what is in the back of many ordinary people’s minds, massaged by the Murdoch press and Hansonists.

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    • doug quixote October 27, 2016 at 11:36 pm #

      What is a matter of interest is what such a White Knight might want in return for his “altruism”. I’d want a pound of flesh . . .

      Liked by 1 person

      • Jennifer Wilson October 28, 2016 at 6:39 am #

        Who is this white knight bailing out Bob Day, does anybody know? Is he dressed in white satin?


    • Jennifer Wilson October 28, 2016 at 6:39 am #

      Everything comes back to entitlement, PW. It’s the curse and the scourge of humanity. My tribe is entitled to more than yours. It’s the biggest stumbling block to human evolution, and it will undoubtedly be the ending of us as a species.


  14. paul walter. October 28, 2016 at 12:22 am #

    Oh I am sure those involved will get their pound of flesh and it will come out off the hides of Australian workers if the bill is passed.


  15. paul walter. October 28, 2016 at 12:23 am #

    Ideology as politics and vice versa…

    Mutual subceptional reinforcement.

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    • Jennifer Wilson October 28, 2016 at 6:46 am #

      PW & DQ, this article seems to suggest that it’s necessary for the SG to vet proposed legislation otherwise it isn’t valid?


      • doug quixote October 28, 2016 at 8:53 am #

        Say rather that if such an eminent impartial lawyer says it is valid, valid enough to withstand a High Court challenge, then it probably is.

        I think it isn’t valid, and can’t ever be valid in principle, but it may be drafted cunningly enough to survive in part.

        This is a mean and tricky government, and Brandis thinks he knows everything better than anyone.


        • paul walter. October 28, 2016 at 11:00 am #

          Yes. In the end, that last comment.

          I saw a segment, some old fashioned broadsheet reportage on the vicious nature of the stranglehold Singapore giant Wilmar now has on QLD sugar production a night or two ago and that situation describes perfectly the point DQ makes about the type of endemic devil hidden in any government legislation.

          We are sold out, by the pound. FTA’s go hand in hand in hand with local subjugation. It is the true nature of feudalism dressed as (finacialised) globalisation.


          • doug quixote October 29, 2016 at 8:40 pm #

            The government will fuck it up, just like they fucked up the Australian Military Court, in 2007 legislation (struck down by the High Court in 2009 as I predicted).

            This mob can’t accept criticism or contradiction; they think they know what they are doing.

            And now Pauline Hanson get front page coverage for her populist crap.

            The press in the USA have denounced Trump, across the board. Even papers which have endorsed every Republican candidate since 1896 (yes, 1896) have declined to endorse Trump.

            Watch the conservatives try to rewrite history to suit their narrative.

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            • diannaart October 30, 2016 at 8:22 am #

              John Howard’s “black armband history” has taken on far more meaning than Howard ever intended. Is it only conservatives who rewrite history or the ‘winners’, irrespective of political stripe?

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              • doug quixote October 30, 2016 at 9:56 am #

                The winners write their version of history; the losers write variations on “we wuz robbed!” and dream of revenge.

                I give conservatives the Razzie because they rewrite it in such a way that they never learn from the mistakes of history; thus are they doomed to repeat them.


                • diannaart October 30, 2016 at 10:12 am #


                  I understand your pain.

                  Am I correct in thinking that progressive governments are never in power long enough to rewrite history? Or change much at all (in a good way)?

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                  • doug quixote October 30, 2016 at 10:55 pm #


                    No pain, only a disinterested observation.

                    Your second paragraph is so far off the beam that I fear for your grasp of history.

                    We’d still be in bark humpies counting the nuts if the conservatives ruled the world.



                    • diannaart October 31, 2016 at 10:59 am #

                      DQ – human progression has resulted from a diversity of thought – not just one.


                    • doug quixote October 31, 2016 at 1:14 pm #

                      Dialectical materialism, Dianna?


                      Conservative bean counter: We don’t have enough beans to be able to afford a door on the humpy this year, much less a nappy for the baby. It may have to be . . . retrenched, wife.

                      Wife: Oh Scotty, the kiddie don’t eat much, and I could gather some more nuts!

                      Cbc: Hmm. Just be sure you do, if you know what’s good for you.


                    • diannaart October 31, 2016 at 1:23 pm #

                      Seeing everything in binary terms of black and white must make life easier for you, DQ.

                      Simple is as simple does…


                    • doug quixote October 31, 2016 at 2:29 pm #

                      All cats are grey in the dark.


                    • diannaart October 31, 2016 at 3:06 pm #

                      Generalisations, much?

                      We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.

                      Benjamin Franklin



                    • doug quixote October 31, 2016 at 5:28 pm #

                      Find me an exception.


                    • diannaart November 1, 2016 at 11:14 am #

                      Missed your comment yesterday.

                      Just off the top of my head, Warren Buffet, Mrs Gates (not so much Bill Gates), Petro Georgiou,…. you really just want to be spoon fed?

                      Look for exceptions yourself, you’re a big boy now, capable of research. I do not believe you actually think everything can be categorised into just black & white (am also wishing I would stop thinking of that book “50 shades of grey” ) ……. 😉

                      I think you are just yanking my chain, Doug.


              • Jennifer Wilson October 30, 2016 at 10:01 pm #

                Winners, I think.

                Liked by 1 person

  16. The Ranting Millennial January 5, 2017 at 9:45 am #

    2016 represented change. Only time will tell if the change is good, or bad…but until then, we need to look at 2017….new beginnings. Younger generations need to come together in 2017 and stand up for what we know is right. The world isn’t as big as it used to be…not to us. And we have the power to overcome the older generations and take our world back NOW! We can bring control back to the people, how it was always supposed to be. We own enough of the population to control what is right and wrong, and make a real impact on the future. We don’t need to stand back just watching while our world burns. Join me in taking our world back in 2017. Happy New Years!


    • Jennifer Wilson January 5, 2017 at 7:02 pm #

      Happy New Year, Ranting. If you’re talking revolution, it’s in your hands. There are many of us older generations who would support you.

      Liked by 1 person

      • The Ranting Millennial January 6, 2017 at 4:45 am #

        Well then join in 🙂 – Spread the word. Younger generations need the guidance of like minded older generations. While I”m somewhat attempting to start this revolution…one voice will never be as strong as a united group of voices. And in order to become united…the words must spread from person to person to spread a vision of greatness. Follow, Subscribe, Share…whether it be my blog, or someone else that you agree with…as long as it’s something relevant that carries hope, then you must spread the word to give new generations the drive to succeed and take our society to the next level.

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