Trump & Clinton. Clinton & Trump

6 Aug

Clinton, Trump

 

I recently read a characterisation of the US presidential battle as a struggle between a neofascist catastrophe and a neoliberal disaster. This latter description of Hillary Clinton will not please those among us who believe, some ardently, that a US female president will be a triumph simply because of her sex.

It surely is worth noting here that there have been (and still are) female presidents and prime ministers in countries other than the US for some time, including our own Julia Gillard. The US is breaking its own glass ceiling, not the world’s. I don’t know that women have done much better than men at the task, and it is probably slightly delusional to expect or demand that we will: after all, female leaders have to work within the same long-established systems as do males, and no one person of either sex is going to smash those corrupt systems and make the world a better place.

This is not to say women shouldn’t be equally represented in politics: of course we must. However, I sometimes wonder if we wouldn’t be better served fighting dysfunctional political orders, rather than pouring our considerable energies into the task of moulding women into the value systems of a hegemonic masculinity when once there, we can do little if our ambition is to keep our jobs.

On the question of entrenched and deadly systems of government, John Pilger argues in his Pilgeresque way that Hillary Clinton is a far more dangerous presidential prospect than is Donald Trump, partially on the grounds that Clinton is deeply embedded in a warmongering system whilst Trump is a maverick who condemns the Iraq invasion as a crime, and doesn’t want any trouble with Russia or China. Pilger continues:

Among Clinton’s biggest backers are the Israel lobby and the arms companies that fuel the violence in the Middle East. She and her husband have received a fortune from Wall Street. And yet, she is about to be ordained the women’s candidate, to see off the evil Trump, the official demon. Her supporters include distinguished feminists: the likes of Gloria Steinem in the US and Anne Summers in Australia.

Then there is the analysis of Trump as a self-saboteur, an outstanding example of someone who sets high goals while simultaneously working to undermine himself. Nobody in this narrative, not even Trump, envisaged his campaign coming this far, and the candidate’s increasingly successful alienation of significant supporters can be interpreted as the behaviour of a man who wanted the attention and publicity of the competition, but never really believed he could win it and is now in the process of finding a way out. Trump’s way, the author argues, is to behave so badly everyone rejects him, then complain that the electoral system is rigged and he is its victim. On the other hand, the author admits, Trump could simply be unhinged.

I’m grateful I don’t have to vote in the US election: it’s bad enough coping with our own. What I take from both situations is a sense that the old political order is in its death throes, a new one not yet born or perhaps not even yet conceived. What we have to work with are the dregs of democracy.

In the western world we’re desperately casting about for something better or at the very least, different. I can’t see Hillary Clinton as the answer, even though she has a vagina. She is solidly of the old order. Trump, like some of our maverick politicians, is different and difference is his appeal, even though he, like our mavericks, may be no better and could be worse.

I confess myself astounded at feminist support for Clinton. I have no desire to live under hegemonic matriarchy, anymore than I enjoy living under the constraints of hegemonic patriarchy. Neither improve the lot of women nor many men, other than those of the ruling class. I can only conclude we are living with the dregs of feminism as well as the dregs of democracy, and nobody seems to have any idea what might possibly come next.

 

 

 

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77 Responses to “Trump & Clinton. Clinton & Trump”

  1. Hypo August 6, 2016 at 9:47 am #

    “I sometimes wonder if we wouldn’t be better served fighting dysfunctional political orders, rather than pouring our considerable energies into the task of moulding women”

    Agh yes,priorities.Let us lead all them stubborn, thirsty horses to water.

    Despite the denial from the privileged and the mum and dad share holders we are well and truly on a perverse trajectory> on every plain.
    Environmental,social,political and economical.(Religion is now amplifying the mayhem,not ‘curing’ it.So that little scam failed abysmally)
    There is only one master and that master(male intended) is corporate greed via a capitalist system that has overtaken the capacity of all other planks [essential to a safe sustainable planet] where we can coexist.(and not just with our own species)
    Population thresholds are ignored.Impact is underplayed.
    Extinctions are nothing,mere evolutionary imperatives.Because whatever stands in the way of development is a nuisance.
    The gospel according to Scrooge says we must grow lest our world will end.
    (gag, cough, chuck up in mouth a bit)
    Guess what? In case it went unnoticed, it’s hard to see the nest for the guano .

    Trump may well have been that karmic meteor to reel us in.America certainly deserves him.

    Clinton is a woman .Tick.
    But she is also an American.No ordinary one. I doubt that this ex ‘first lady’ is unaware of the atrocities committed at home and abroad for the benefit of the strong and brave (rich and greedy and armed to the teeth).

    Trump is the ‘wake up call’ the world will seamlessly sleep through, while they have nocturnal emissions over Hillary.

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    • Macam August 6, 2016 at 9:58 am #

      Sub species:” Greed Monkey.”

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    • townsvilleblog August 6, 2016 at 11:24 am #

      In my humble opinion it matters little the sex, what matters is the policies. If her policies were Bernie Sanders policies she would be much more appreciated in my opinion.

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      • Jennifer Wilson August 6, 2016 at 11:30 am #

        I agree, Shaun. I thought Sanders was pretty interesting. Tho others thought him deceitful and I guess politicians always are in some way.

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        • Hypo August 6, 2016 at 11:52 am #

          The man probably had a mind of his own.
          The most dangerous weapon in America.

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          • Hypo August 6, 2016 at 11:59 am #

            ^ America ergo USA

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  2. Lalegale August 6, 2016 at 9:53 am #

    Grasping the nettle on a longstanding myth! Thank you. Reading Hillary’s history is quite chilling because it appears not only that she is simply undesirable for President on account of her personal qualities, but also that her actions may well be of the criminal kind. What a choice for the American citizens! Oddly, it seems to me that Sanders has been deceptive in his campaign.

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    • Jennifer Wilson August 6, 2016 at 10:08 am #

      I don’t know about Sanders but I’m cynical enough to believe deception possible.

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      • townsvilleblog August 6, 2016 at 11:27 am #

        I believe Sanders is/was sincere. He should continue his revolution, he received something like 30 million votes in the primary.

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        • doug quixote August 8, 2016 at 11:23 am #

          I don’t know where you got your figures from. Clinton received 16.8m votes to Sanders’ 13.1m votes.

          Hillary has had everything but the kitchen sink thrown at her and she’s still standing.

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          • Hypo August 8, 2016 at 11:46 am #

            The votes amount to a Gerrymander by way of birth right.
            That difference would show Sanders deserves the candidacy.
            But then there’s nothing democratic,moral or ethical about the process, so why would they want a bloke who reflects said values?

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    • townsvilleblog August 6, 2016 at 11:51 am #

      USA citizens, there is no such country as America. America or more specifically North America is the continent on which the country the USA sits.

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    • townsvilleblog August 6, 2016 at 11:52 am #

      deceptive in his campaign., in what way deceptive?

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  3. Hypo August 6, 2016 at 10:00 am #

    The opportunist ‘snatch and grab’ reaction, of ‘any woman is better than no woman’, by some quarters of feminism just shallows out the gene pool.Are they not watching the blue team and what happened over there? (see previous post for hints)

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  4. helvityni August 6, 2016 at 10:07 am #

    I don’t need to go to America to get depressed about politics, we have plenty to worry about here.

    Enough for three conferences,(or something like that) according to Faulty Towers.

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  5. paul walter August 6, 2016 at 10:09 am #

    Very, very fine writing. I agree there are times when Pilger is indeed Pilgeresque and even accused by the less well informed of Pilgerism…Pilg on the lot of them. I say this instead of commenting on the piece because I find nothing in it to quarrel with.

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  6. Jan Dobson August 6, 2016 at 10:49 am #

    Oh thank the stars for you, JW. I thought I was alone.

    While I’m not sure Ms Clinton will be much worse than any other embedded, mainstream Democrat and I do think Trump is dangerously incompetent, I can’t get behind the gender empowerment cheer squad.

    Yes, Republican views on social issues are archaic but money in politics, which is ingrained in American (and maybe Australian) politics, is of so much greater concern. At least to this contributor.

    The nomination of Ms Clinton, does nothing to address this issue. This, her high disapproval rating and her muddy history will, I think, do nothing to promote gender equality. And yes, I do realise the inequity.

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  7. Forrest Gumpp (@ForrestGumpp) August 6, 2016 at 2:43 pm #

    Where to begin responding to this post? How serendipitous it is: when I responded to your tweet I didn’t even know the post was up. In embedding it I am, I know, re-iterating your link in your sixth paragraph.

    A thing your otherwise excellent summary as to where (we don’t know) we are at with regard to the Clinton – Trump Trump – Clinton electoral ‘race’ doesn’t canvass has been the vacation of the field for the Republican nomination by what I would call conventionally credible candidates. Such were not beaten: they never even showed up!

    The last Republican candidate for the Presidency that I would identify as ‘conventionally credible’ is Senator for Arizona John McCain, a candidate in 2008. I see it as being important to come to an understanding as to why that field has latterly been left so vacant.

    That was why I sought your views as to what I identified as the payload of your sixth paragraph linked reference: the sentence preceeding “But that is beside the point”, with which latter assertion I am in complete disagreement.

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    • Hypo August 6, 2016 at 3:23 pm #

      Maybe because,deep in their hearts, as individuals, most Republicans know the gun control thing needs fixing,but to do it would probably mean risking a early grave.
      Trump is so insane he was happy to promise everyone everything.As long as the ppl he made the promises to were bullies.(Like him.)

      He is the most quintessential caricature of the ‘modern’ USA I have ever seen.

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    • Jennifer Wilson August 7, 2016 at 10:10 am #

      I’m not familiar enough with theUS electoral system, Forrest, to answer the question of lack of Republican candidates.
      But I agree: how did Trump get this far, how did he get anywhere? Why weren’t there more and better candidates…

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    • Forrest Gumpp (@ForrestGumpp) August 7, 2016 at 3:11 pm #

      The embedded tweet is a screenshot of that part of the target of Jennifer’s text link “Trump as a self-saboteur” that includes its sixth paragraph.

      I speculate as to whether the making of this claim by Trump as to electoral rigging was not the principal objective of his whole ‘campaign’. I see the assertions as to the absence of evidence of electoral fraud within that paragraph as being the payload of the whole article.

      Should Trump lose, the collective relief will be so great, and the discredit of his ’cause’ so extensive, that pursuit of evidence for electoral manipulation will be tainted by perceived association of it as a subject with his campaign.

      Should Trump win, then phew! What a relief! There couldn’t have been significant fraud after all! One wouldn’t bring up the subject if one intended or even suspected one might benefit from it, would one?

      However, the coming about over an extended period of a tacit recognition or even suspicion of fraudulence of whatever sort in the electoral process by perceptive erstwhile potential candidates could explain the collective absence of such from the field.

      Is this what has happened, I wonder?

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  8. doug quixote August 6, 2016 at 5:45 pm #

    I doubt that Hillary’s possession of a vagina is a major issue.

    That Trump has alienated most women, nearly all Hispanics, nearly all African Americans, nearly all liberals, and just about everyone other than blue collar rednecks and white supremacists is.

    Trump will be slaughtered in the presidential election, mark my words.

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    • Hypo August 6, 2016 at 6:48 pm #

      Nothing should surprise anyone, when it comes to peoples votes.Especially in the Circus Royale America.
      Expecting either to turn the global ship around before it hits the rocks is futile, so grab the popcorn,sit back and know that whoever wins, the carnage will continue.
      Govts aren’t running the show, the *Ferengi’s of capitalism and religion are.

      * “Give me money!”
      /ktxavt bv^ti/
      [k@t’xavt ‘bB^-ti]

      from
      http://www.datapacrat.com/Art/Fiction/STARTREK/LANG/FERENGI3.HTM

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      • Forrest Gumpp (@ForrestGumpp) August 6, 2016 at 10:29 pm #

        I trust you are aware of the terrestrial origins of the word ‘ferengi’. It is Afghani for ‘foreigner’. Courtesy of James A Michener and his novel ‘Caravans’, from, I think, ~1947.

        They were good lke that, those early Startrekkers.

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        • Hypo August 6, 2016 at 11:39 pm #

          Life began with Star Trek.
          : )

          For all intents and purposes a Ferengi- in modern parlance -is totally Star trek, with apologies to the origins, but voraciously gobbling up history for $$ is a thing(a apparently)

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    • Jennifer Wilson August 7, 2016 at 10:12 am #

      Yes, I’m inclined to agree that Trump won’t triumph.
      But Hillary’s sex is a major issue & I believe was it the opposite sense when Obama won: better a black man than a woman, I believe was heard at the time.

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  9. Hypo August 6, 2016 at 8:17 pm #

    MAYDAY
    Here’s one for you twitterati types.
    If you llok to the right you’ll see the latest twitters NPFS is engaged in via JW.
    The last /top one (at this time)>
    which takes you to>

    http://www.salingerprivacy.com.au/2016/08/06/why-im-taking-leave-of-my-census/

    Is a doozy related to privacy and boycotting the census.I read it, and fwd’d the link but alas the page has crashed.(Many others saying the same)\Please, .If you use twitter pls tweet to salinger privacy aka sally johnson and alert her that her bandwidth has maxxed out.It is important that ppl read what she has to say.But she also may be unaware her page is down???

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    • Forrest Gumpp (@ForrestGumpp) August 6, 2016 at 11:15 pm #

      Lack of sufficient detail to do that, Hypo, but hey, isn’t it good that the ABS gets rid of name identification of data within four and a half years?

      Just as well there’s no facial recognition software that can project forward and deliver images of what people might look like years hence in the future, hey? That’s one reason I’m so comfortable about embedding this image here. “Census and Sensibilities”, “The Importance of being Earnest”, and all that.

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      • Hypo August 6, 2016 at 11:42 pm #

        Not sure the detail in the link could be more specific when combined with the name I put with it in the post.But no mind.I am a non player of census 2016 anyway.The article had some sound reasoning from a sound base and relevant author.Thought it would be good to have it viewed widely.It obviously has been!
        (Or shut down by the spooks)

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        • Forrest Gumpp (@ForrestGumpp) August 7, 2016 at 7:51 am #

          Ah, Hypo, you meant this:

          Which yielded this when one clicked the link:

          Had you referred to the ‘Recent Tweets display’ I would have got you straight away. I was wrestling with the recall of the name Oscar Wilde at the time, as to which I was having a mental blank. BTW, am I to infer from your comment that you are a non-player at Census2016 that you are to be out of the country on the day?

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          • Hypo August 7, 2016 at 8:00 am #

            I have some charity work to do on a nearby satellite which will take several days.

            In my absence, I have kindly suggested a few proctological uses of the paperwork for Mr ABS and his brown uniformed co-workers.

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          • Forrest Gumpp (@ForrestGumpp) August 7, 2016 at 8:13 am #

            Here is a link to the Google cache version of Anna Johnston’s (@SalingerPrivacy) article in plain text. She is a former Deputy Privacy Commissioner. She knows about the server problem with her ISP.

            http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:FuvkYZHvJ14J:www.salingerprivacy.com.au/2016/08/06/why-im-taking-leave-of-my-census/+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=au

            It’s not hard to see why the tweet Jennifer originally re-tweeted would have been a trigger.

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            • Hypo August 7, 2016 at 9:42 am #

              I’m guessing she knows a lot about privacy,too.
              Her public boycotting declaration (justification) must be ‘wrathing’ up the Khans in the ABS.
              The more I see the ABS wheeling out ‘on script’ apologists, the less credibility and trust they display.If one could select an actor who can master the look of withholding something or snake oil selling, then they obviously have a deep pool of talent.

              The minister????
              99% of those with issues on this census would not even know there is a minister watching over this.So far the ministry has cowered in droves.
              So where is he / she??
              Hiding under a bed??
              Turnbulls ministry is the most timid I have ever seen when it comes to fronting up or ‘owning’ their portfolios.The accountability is MIA. Eg when was the last time either of the cardboard cut-outs representing ‘communications’ stood in front of a camera?
              Has our environment minister got a beard, 3 heads?

              The ABS punch line is a beauty though, as per the interview on ABC News 24 this very morning when asked >if govts ‘actually’ use the data provided to ‘actually’ shape policy in real terms??
              The long winded answer was something like depends on the govt (go figure)
              The short answer an emphatic no.
              So we (the public) have to sacrifice by way of the new invasive census, (invasive by way of the touted linkages and final probable destinations/uses) but the govt does not and is not required to act on said data,despite claiming that is why the law says WE must participate.It is a perverse joke.
              The law is there to ensure the outcome is clearly defined.It no longer is.Data is now globally traded.
              While Australian govts centre and left, or any ‘accounatble’ version found elsewhere might ‘consider’ such a concept,( moulding a policy set on community needs and wants), but as has been demonstrated many times by the patriarchal tea party that is the LNP, they have no inclination of doing what we want,let alone what we need.They are far too busy using our money to make multinationals richer,selling our sovereignty,fuelling phoney wars razing the environment and robbing or freedom and privacy.
              All in all the very reason we did the census up until the last one, is null and void,irrelevant and defunct.
              Let them eat data-cake.Google,Facebook, and twitter have pantries brimming with it.

              Census schmensus.This version is a cheap nasty version of the original.
              I’m not even sure they can fix it, now.

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            • Hypo August 7, 2016 at 9:56 am #

              BTW, Thankyou FG

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    • Jennifer Wilson August 7, 2016 at 10:14 am #

      It’s back.

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  10. davechaffeyhippie August 7, 2016 at 2:10 pm #

    Trump will win. Actually probably not, but he won’t get decimated at least according to my tea leaves. The left do not understand Trump. They continue to believe he’s about to go away. This was their narrative from the start. Instead of revising their narrative, they hold on. How about the left fix their narrative so that they are better prepared when the next Trump comes along or if somehow Trump wins. What’s that saying about knowing thy enemy?

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    • Hypo August 7, 2016 at 4:08 pm #

      An American will win.Thus the joyful groinal slide down the barbed wire or corporate global control will continue.You’re right about the left NOT understanding Trump.But that conundrum touches many others.Across the spectrum.
      And
      Preparation is fine,but lets face it the global flock is unwilling, and the shepherds have all the power/guns/laws/control.
      The political developments across Australia in the last week(including this very weekend put us another 2 steps back.And on it goes.
      A willingness to prepare is either buried in apathy, or has an army of cognitive participants of minuscule number.
      “Ignorance is bliss”.I can see what that means now.

      “How about the left fix their narrative so that they are better prepared when the next Trump comes along ”
      2 more old sayings come to mind.
      If you can’t beat them …etc….looks like the 1st part, and ‘horse has bolted’ applies to the second part.There are Trumps and Trumplings everywhere,waiting in the wings.

      I don’t share you’re optimism Dave.Mainly because I see bugger all nutritional growth in the humanity or attitudes and actions of the masses.(Yes there is a steady component of compassionate,diligent aware and active folk, but like the volunteers in or communities the numbers are dwindling.)
      Most people think tweets,signing petitions and facebook posts is all there is to activism.
      A lot (many -some might say most) people cannot even be arsed to attend a physical rally or even/ring email a politician.
      Then we have non voters, or ppl voting for Nimrods.And Nimrods getting voted in.I reckon we are worse off collectively after each election, and I cannot help but return to the elephant in the room I harp on about.The number of us (humans) and the ripples thereof.

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      • Hypo August 7, 2016 at 4:11 pm #

        EDIT
        volunteers in OUR communities

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      • doug quixote August 7, 2016 at 4:19 pm #

        I’d prefer a sane American to a deranged loose cannon.

        Whose finger would you prefer to have poised over the nuclear trigger?

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        • Hypo August 7, 2016 at 5:34 pm #

          As if there’s a choice, for Australians about anything the US does militarily.

          When it comes down to it.I seriously doubt that even if Trump became president, the war machine would let him press the buttons.They want endless wars with low grade weapons , not and end to all wars in one hit.
          As scary as it is, ‘the finger button Armageddon’ being >instigated< from America it's a furphy.The spooks in the SA have plenty of hurdles between the finger and the button,most of which are hardly like to be advertised on the net.

          The election proves that the USA has become a cartoon of itself,Hollywood style.They self terrorise on a weekly basis, as a matter of social entitlement.
          And wring their hands for 5 minutes,roll out the 2nd amendment and the NRA and start again from GO.

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          • doug quixote August 7, 2016 at 6:54 pm #

            There may not be a choice allowed us, but we can still have a preference.

            Sane, or deranged?

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            • Hypo August 7, 2016 at 7:22 pm #

              Deckchairs DQ.Deckchairs.
              The real choice is overt nutjob over the entitled few perpetuated class struggle, war and wealth distribution.

              Not my choice.America will get what they vote for.It won’t make the world a bed of roses.It’s just business as usual.
              And seriously look at the real question.America enabled a nutjob several times over.So could he be a plant by the status quo?
              No other explanation seems to add up.Logic does not apply in this conundrum.
              And remember,I’d argue that those who enable Trump are a greater threat than he is.Even if he floated into oblivion,they would still be pulling levers,voting or lobbying for him ,or buying him in.
              I’ll go out on a limb.(based on looking at how the pendulum is swinging locally right now, and globally generally(look at the Philipines FFS) that this will not be the last potential fascist to slide into power.
              There;s a few more in the (our) senate squealing already.

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        • Jennifer Wilson August 8, 2016 at 11:51 am #

          Well, DQ, there is a story about Hillary. She refused to speak to Bill for some eighteen months after the Lewinsky affair, and only broke her silence to ring & tell him to bomb Kosovo.
          So…..

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          • doug quixote August 8, 2016 at 1:20 pm #

            I wouldn’t blame her for either of those actions, Guinevere.

            He’d better behave himself when she’s the Big Boss!

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            • Hypo August 8, 2016 at 1:27 pm #

              There’s another rumour that Hillary has a cigar, not unlike a baseball bat in circumference , with Billy boys name all over it.
              Ouch!

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            • Jennifer Wilson August 8, 2016 at 2:00 pm #

              He looks a bit beyond shenanigans, DQ

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              • doug quixote August 9, 2016 at 1:43 am #

                He’s 69 years old. Trump is now 70.

                Perhaps we can ask Melanie Trump how much viagra Trump needs these days???

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                • Jennifer Wilson August 9, 2016 at 6:35 am #

                  Clinton is 69? Lordy he looks much older than that. And kind of floppy.

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                • Hypo August 9, 2016 at 7:56 am #

                  3 X AAA’s?

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          • paul walter August 9, 2016 at 2:38 am #

            She did right..We all know the private payout would have been severe and rightly so.

            It is bad enough doing affairs behind your partner’s back but surely exponentially worse when it includes pillow talk about the absent partner.

            That was Bill Clinton’s real mistake and a bad and insensitive one, too clever by half.

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            • Jennifer Wilson August 9, 2016 at 6:36 am #

              I don’t know those details PW. Bill talked about Hillary to his lovers? Oh, they all do that don’t they?

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              • paul walter August 10, 2016 at 8:11 am #

                I’ve marvelled at this remark, owing to its conciliatory nature.

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      • davechaffeyhippie August 8, 2016 at 11:42 am #

        I agree and accept that my optimism might be delusional. A healthy delusion maybe to prevent me from giving up? I hear you about slack-tivism. Maybe my blogging approach is one step better; but it’s not like the few people who read, comment on and write blogs are numerous enough to really help break down our innate tribalism and many other culturally programmed ‘isms’. I’m yet another writer trying to write a book, but who is going to read it other than my small choir I sing along with. Still, we can try and enjoy the songs and believe there’s a chance, even if small, of some improvement before doomsday arrives…

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        • Jennifer Wilson August 8, 2016 at 5:52 pm #

          Dave, I just read your piece: it’s very funny, I LOL.
          don’t hate me for this#1 it’s a bit long but 😁

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          • davechaffeyhippie August 9, 2016 at 9:01 am #

            Thanks for reading! Learning to be my own editor is my next challenge. Let’s see if the next thing I publish is at least under 1500 words. I’ll save the discarded sections for my million word book…;)

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    • doug quixote August 7, 2016 at 4:17 pm #

      The Right hate him too!

      He’s going to get flogged.

      🙂 🙂 🙂

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      • davechaffeyhippie August 8, 2016 at 11:05 am #

        He appeals to a very different demographic. He wasn’t this far right in the past and is playing a dangerous game to get what he wants. I think it will be close, but we’ll see what happens. We have our own Trump, but she’s nowhere near as bright fortunately! And though I have many issues with the LNP, they have been pretty good at defusing the worst that the ultra-right can bring. It’s just come at the cost of demonising and causing needless suffering to minorities. That’s the system unfortunately. Is it improving in Australia? We’ll see how they manage Pauline and Cory this time around the merry-go-round.

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    • Jennifer Wilson August 8, 2016 at 11:53 am #

      The Left won’t even admit they’ve got a narrative….

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  11. Hypo August 7, 2016 at 7:58 pm #

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    • doug quixote August 7, 2016 at 8:45 pm #

      Eyes roll. Again.

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      • Hypo August 7, 2016 at 9:25 pm #

        The problem being that> he has an eager customer base.
        An endless supply in fact.

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  12. Hypo August 7, 2016 at 9:32 pm #

    But wait,theres more….

    (some crossovers in the 2 links)

    http://totalfratmove.com/the-20-most-controversial-donald-trump-tweets/

    http://indy100.independent.co.uk/article/presenting-donald-trumps-best-worst-tweets–Z1r35m__Zg

    [Keep tissues and sick buckets handy.]

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  13. FA August 8, 2016 at 12:58 pm #

    I tend to agree with you. I think Trump is the better candidate. My reasoning is largely that the status quo is clearly not working and not sustainable. Clinton is the status quo candidate, effectively Obama’s third term. Trump is the flickering candle of real change. He’ll either burn down the United States, or rebuild it better. Either one is preferable to the long slow decline that the US is clearly on.

    I also think he’s raising, perhaps not always eloquently, serious questions that we do need to address. What role should NATO have? Especially with a country like Turkey being a member. How much does Australia save on defence by having the United States be the world’s policeman? Do we even want them to be the world’s policeman; and are we prepared to pay for that? Does the nation state still have a role? How do we help those left behind by globalism? Is allowing China to force major firms to disclose their R&D so that local Chinese firms get a major boost really the best idea? Does the West really want to live like Israel, where major terrorist events are common place?

    I do think Trump is likely to be the winner at this stage, despite the polls. I have two bits of evidence to support this. The first is that there’s no excited base of Clinton supporters, whereas there is a fairly large excited base of Trump supporters. This is clear in social media reach of each candidate. Trump is always well ahead of Clinton in terms of likes/views, typically by orders of magnitude. From this, I conclude there will be a very large “shy Tory” effect, similar to what we saw in the UK where Labour unexpectedly lost the last general election, and Brexit unexpectedly won. The second is that the news media is clearly biased, and Trump is smartly playing up that angle. In the US, the number of independent news organisations has decreased from some 200 odd in the 1950s to 6 today. The DNC leaks have shown that even major outlets, like CNN and MSNBC take orders from the DNC. An obvious example of this is the difference in coverage that Clinton calling Pat Smith a liar got compared to Trump doing something similar to Khizr Khan. That journalists are one of the least trusted professions in the US backs this up. This can also be seen in the wall street hedge fund donations. Almost $123 million dollars has been given to the Clinton campaign by hedge funds, while less than $20,000 has been given to the Trump campaign. Meanwhile, Trump raised almost $80 million dollars in mostly small donations in under 2 months. The point is, the elite that most people hate are very clearly on Clinton’s side, and that’s got to help Trump in getting people out to vote for him.

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    • Jennifer Wilson August 8, 2016 at 2:04 pm #

      Thanks for that detailed post, FA.
      I tend to forget that no matter who is elected, he or she still has to deal with congress, and the administration and we saw how the US was almost brought to its knees under Obama when congress denied supply. It doesn’t hinge on one individual, thank fully, as Obama found to his cost.

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  14. Hypo August 8, 2016 at 1:41 pm #

    What a dilemma,Trump wins.
    Potential Armageddon.Certainly less safe to be an American abroad,or in the military,or in a minority etc.
    (Which is a kindovan ironic win for Hillary’s share portfolio.)
    He’s the Rodrigo Duterte of the USA in many ways.And his worst is yet to come.
    (Hope he gets the Chinese to build a wall – if he gets in.Their wall form is great)

    Or Trump loses and a whole lotta gun toting hot heads, feel maligned and rejected and seek to wreck the joint.
    The ultra-Trump supporters have been waiting for this false Messiah, and I don’t think they’ll take kindly to his demise.
    And history steers me to think that, the USA doesn’t have the wherewithal nor inclination to ‘releash’ the dogs of war she keeps at home.
    Popcorn time real soon.

    ♫ HOO-RAY for Hollllllllllllly—-wood! ♫

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  15. Hypo August 8, 2016 at 2:02 pm #

    Some things about ‘America’ are great.

    Thanks to (Vale) Sir George Martin.

    Make America great again!

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    • Jennifer Wilson August 8, 2016 at 2:06 pm #

      I’ve spent a bit of time in that country & what I found great were its landscapes, not its politics.

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      • Hypo August 8, 2016 at 2:29 pm #

        Yes the place is blessed with some beautiful landscapes and natural eco-systems.

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